[00:00:14] Speaker A: Hello. Welcome to the Roundhouse Podcast with Paul Solentrop of Wichita State University Strategic Communications. Thanks for listening to the podcast. We appreciate it. Today we have John Wise. John is the assistant director of track and field and cross country at Wichita State. Shockers are early in their preparations for the indoor track season. Their intra squad meet is Friday at the Hesket Center. They get going again early January with more indoor meets highlighted by the annual triangular with Kansas and Kansas State. John, this is his 6th appearance on the podcast. He now moves into a tie with Elizabeth Economyman of the softball program. So we'll start there. Congratulations, John, on making it to number six.
[00:00:57] Speaker B: Thank you very much. We have a friendly rivalry with softball winning championships back and forth each year. So that's, I think, appropriate that we're at the top of the list.
[00:01:06] Speaker A: That's right. There should be some special T shirt or some gear or something for the two of you. John will start with the changes to the American Athletic Conference with which significantly affect the sport of track and field. Cincinnati, UCF and Houston, which of course national power and men's track and field all departed the AAC.
New schools UAB, Texas, San Antonio, Charlote, Rice, Florida Atlantic and North Texas. How do these changes affect the sport of track and field?
[00:01:36] Speaker B: It definitely affects it differently than a lot of the sports where you're doing a head to head playing one game against each other, because our championship is one big meet together where everybody faces off together. So you're dealing with certain schools that have had strengths in one event area or another, and then you're bringing in schools that have strengths in maybe different event areas or another. And so you could have the same team, the same level of competence, you could say, and be in a different placing with the exact same team. If you were to compare in and out of the teams. And what we've learned is that I think our men who have won the last two outdoor championships will be one of the top teams. It appears Charlote is one of those teams, Texas, San Antonio, but it also South Florida. And, you know, the old version here, the know. I think there's five teams there that could be looking at it on paper, thinking of how to try to win the championship. And so we think we're in that mix. We're not head and shoulders above the other teams, but we're not somehow, all of a sudden down in the middle of the pack either. I think that it'll be another good battle and we'll have to have a good season on the women's side, it changes it more dramatically. Central Florida had really been dominating our league the last couple years, and Cincinnati has been one of the top teams. And what has happened is there's just become a lot of teams that are very similar. And we think as our women's team has started to really kind of turn the corner at the end of last year, that we feel like we can battle up to be one of the top teams again, where we have been previously to the last couple of years. And we've had a young team this year on our team. Right now we only have three girls that are seniors. And so the next couple of years we should be a factor up towards the top of the conference, hopefully challenging to win the conference. Charlote, once again, they have a good women's team, like their men's team. And then there's probably out of the 14 teams, there's probably eight or nine teams that could sit here and go, well, we got a shot at being in the top two or three. And so when you have certain individual athletes that can score a lot of points, if those athletes do well at a conference meet those couple of days, you're going to be up there in the mix. And if some reason there's an injury or some unfortunate sickness or something, and those athletes you count on don't score very well, then you could be at the bottom of the league or in the middle to bottom of the league. So we feel like we do have some of those high point scores, and then we have the rest of the team developing to kind of chip away on that women's side to make the difference in the teams in the middle or the top to middle that are all within a few points.
[00:04:26] Speaker A: So it appears that sprints are maybe the event affected most dramatically. So I guess it seems like if you were a sprinter on the 2023 Wichita State men's track and field team, you may be significantly more valuable in 2024 because you're no longer racing against Olympic caliber guys from Houston. So you may score six points, eight points in the conference meet, whereas last spring you might not have scored at all.
[00:04:51] Speaker B: Correct. And the same thing on the women because of Central Florida. They really had a focus in the sprints and hurdles and jumps. And so, yeah, for sure our sprinters are going to be looking at these early season results and factoring in significantly.
And I would say if you were a follower of our team in the Missouri Valley days, it's kind of somewhere in the middle between where it used to be in the Missouri Valley and where it has been recently in the AAC. It's still better than the Missouri Valley and also just having more teams makes it better. You're adding depth just because there's more numbers, there's more athletes. So with 14 teams instead of eleven teams, there's just more depth than everything because they just add another person here and there. Even if a team has one sprinter, that's three more sprinters than you would have had. So the depth is probably going to be as good or better to get 8th place or to score a point. But the top three, the top positions in the league, might be just a little bit lower. And so, yeah, our sprinters are excited to challenge and hopefully make a big dent in the final scoring tally.
[00:05:58] Speaker A: Did the addition of the six schools make any events tougher?
[00:06:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I think the distance races will be a little bit tougher because Charlote has a significant focus in the distance area. They're not like Tulsa, whose main focus is that Charlote is kind of like Houston in the fact that Houston had a sprint focus, but they still had throwers and they still had people in a different event areas, just not a lot of them. Charlote's like that with distance and they still have good pole vaulter here and there. They get a thrower, good multi event athlete. So they challenged Tulsa in the conference cross country meet, just barely lost. So they're pretty darn good in the distance races. And so I think that will be an event area that'll be tougher this year.
[00:06:39] Speaker A: So the Shockers got started last weekend with multis and Destiny Masters on the women's team. She was the second team All American in the high jump last spring. She opened the season by setting the Pentathlon record at Wichita State, 4151 points. Moved past Brienne Bormann's record of 4133 from 2016 set Destiny's indoor season. And how does she go from here? Preparing for conference, preparing for NCAA competition.
[00:07:09] Speaker B: It was a fantastic way to start the year, obviously for Destiny and all the multi event athletes, both the guys and girls, and setting a school record was certainly on her, I guess, goal list. But more importantly, it was try to get to the national meet, which she may have fallen just a little short. It's really hard because the top 16 make it. You never know where that cut off will be. So that score has made it in the past, but NCA track and field continues to get better. So we probably think a little bit higher score, but she did great. She ran the fourth fastest time in the hurdles in school history. She had a great high jump mark and then her last couple of events weren't at the level that she was hoping to score. The score she was wanting, inevitably.
But it's a fantastic start, higher than she's ever scored, obviously, in her career. So it appears that her level where she finished at last year, she's continued to roll right on through and then she's even at a higher level this year. So she's one of those girls we're counting on and if we're going to have team success, she'll be one of the girls that are leading us there and it's a terrific way to start her season.
[00:08:17] Speaker A: DeStiny is a junior from El Dorado. Will she then will go hard for a big score again at least once more this indoor?
[00:08:27] Speaker B: She'll have two more opportunities. There's a multi event meet at Kansas State late January, early February in that range and then our conference meet. If she doesn't have a big score yet, our conference is pretty good in the multi so she'll probably also be battling some other girls to qualify for nationals or to win a conference title. So she'll need to go hard at it at the conference meet anyways and so it'll be fun. But if she can go ahead and get a big score out of the way in late January, early February at case date, then that'll at least take that pressure off and not have to do it at conference meet.
[00:09:03] Speaker A: So the Shocker men have won the past two conference outdoor titles, finished fourth in last season's indoor meet. So let's start with the men's team. Strong points for shocker men going into the indoor season.
[00:09:16] Speaker B: I think we're pretty well rounded.
We think that we have as good of a chance to win the indoor conference meet as we've ever know. Houston has been tougher to beat indoor because they didn't have great hammer throwers and javelin throwers and things like steeple chasers that are outdoor only events. So those are things like we build our team for that just we can't do indoor. And so they were one of the teams that kind of dominated the indoor conference meets and actually Cincinnati beat them last year for the first time. So those two teams are gone and now we're in with teams that I think are going to know not easier to beat, but we're going to be certainly more in the hunt than we've ever been indoor. We've got a real good group of hurdlers.
You're talking about that sprint group earlier, so I think they're going to be more significant. We know our distance runners have always done well at the conference meet, so we got a lot of newcomers that I think we're going to be good. But winning or losing, we may rely on some newcomers on the guy's side that we think can make immediate impact.
AnD I know the guys goal is to win the conference meet. They've never won the indoor conference meet. We feel like it's right there attainable. So we're certainly excited to see how Friday goes. It'll be our first chance to see some of the newcomers in a uniform and really to see how much of an impact they might have.
[00:10:45] Speaker A: So the women's team finished 10th in the indoor meet last spring, 7th outdoor. You think that group is ready to take a step up? Tell us why.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: Yeah, there's two main reasons. One is last year indoor Destiny Masters didn't have a very good meet. She was a little dinged up and she scored some points, but not at the level that it appears she's at now.
That's one of them. And I was talking about earlier how kind of the margin of error is so thin on the women's side that one person, like even last year, if she would have had a better meet indoor, we would have been kind of middle of the pack just with her. Well, we also have another newcomer that have fantastic cross country season, Lucy Dungo. And she got second at the conference cross country meet. So she's immediately one of the best distance runners. And a good distance runner like that will make the difference in several team places. So those two are the two big ones. Now, we also have a lot of other athletes that appear to be going from 7th, 8th type places up maybe into the top four or five or some girls that haven't scored that are kind of working their way into the scoring. Just the momentum overall with a couple of big point girls, like I mentioned, with Destiny and Lucy appear, you just see the momentum heading towards scoring more points. And with more teams in the league, it doesn't take as many points to win or as many points to get second as a team because the points get spread out more. So if we're scoring more points, it takes less points to win those championships. We're just heading up the standings. It appears pretty rapidly. We feel like this year.
[00:12:23] Speaker A: That's a lot of math.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: Yeah, we've been trying to wrap our brain around it. It can be confusing, but we feel the momentum at least.
[00:12:31] Speaker A: So the men's team winning the past two outdoor titles, we all know Houston such a great track and field program in the whole scope of the past 20 or 25 years, winning back to back outdoor titles. Where do you rank that? Put that in context among some of the other accomplishments of this program, men or women?
[00:12:52] Speaker B: I would put it as maybe Coach Rainbow's had this long, illustrious career here, winning 35 championships or something like that. I would put it at the top of that list not only in just winning back to back championships, but how it was done, how it came down to the last event, the four X four both times, back to back, how we were underdogs both times, how our guys. It was a total team effort both times to do that.
Coach Rainbow is not retiring. He's still got years to go in his coaching career. But I'm assuming when he gets done, this will be right at the top of that list. And we had been close. You could make an argument that we were close to winning five in a row because we had just missed for three years in a row there behind Houston getting second place. And so our team was on the verge, and they broke through and won that championship in 2022. And it was like they learned how to win. And last year, maybe they shouldn't have won, but they just knew how to win. It's like maybe those old shocker basketball teams where they were having an off night, but Fred Van Fleet and Ron Baker, they just knew how to win at the end of the game. And that's kind of how we feel like our men's team has grown up through the last few years of losing some of those really tough competitions against an incredibly difficult opponent and then breaking through and then having this confidence. And that's why we feel like this year, with the core of that team back and some newcomers, there's just a culture of being confident. They know how to put together a good championship effort and hopefully come out on top again. But, yeah, I think when we look back at Wichita State track and field history, these two years are going to be talked about as much as any of the rest of the history of track and field here.
[00:14:40] Speaker A: So you mentioned shockers who may be moving up from 7th, eigth, 9th, up two or three places in a meet. Hit us with a few names who's maybe really impressed you so far this fall and winter that might be bursting onto the scene a little bit.
[00:14:55] Speaker B: So we've got some athletes that know scores last year that could move up. You mentioned somebody like Marissa Jensen who really indoors, she didn't do as well as outdoors. One of those girls know she scored but lower placing, outdoor, kind of got together, qualified, almost made the NCAA finals. In the high jump, you just see somebody like that scoring six or eight points instead of scoring two or three points. Azari Sam's, who is a girl who does multiple things, the hurdles and the long jump. The changing of the conference kind of helps her a little bit, become a more significant athlete. Even at the same level, we think she'll get better, but even at the same level, she gets better in terms of how many points she scores.
And then we've got guys on the guy's side. It's a lot of the same guys that scored tons of second, third, and fourth and fifth place finishes. We won the conference meet last year with zero champions, so we had a ton of second, 3rd, 4th, fifth, and with all those guys back, if some of those guys moved from third to first or 6th to third, the sprinter type guys, we've been talking about some of our newcomers that we think are at the level of scoring immediately. Julio Montgomery is a guy who's a Wichita kid, Wichita West Kid who's now in his fourth year, who has blossomed in the fall. We feel like that that guy's a guy that has scored points, 6th, 7th, 8th, but could easily be in the top three, win a championship or something like that. He's just looked fantastic.
[00:16:33] Speaker A: What event is he in?
[00:16:34] Speaker B: He's in the hurdles and sprints. So we could see him being the best hurdler in the conference. We could see him also scoring in the sprints and being on a relaY.
There's just a lot of those type of athletes. The culture has been good. There's been a lot of competitiveness in the fall in training, so we're definitely excited about that. Our multi group, I think, will be better than it's been. There's four real good guys. We have the indoor champion, Navajone. He'll be back. But there's three other guys that are going to score points.
Just a total team effort, really, on the guy's side, girls side. You're looking for a couple girls to score big points and to get some contribution here and there.
[00:17:13] Speaker A: Audrey Navajohn, that you mentioned, has won the heptathlon twice in the American Athletic Conference. Newcomers, who's off to a strong start for the Shockers.
[00:17:23] Speaker B: So both guys and girls, we have a lot of exciting newcomers. Probably two of the kids that people saw sign were Josh and Jason Parrish. They're from Aletha, and they were significant at the state track meet here just a few months ago, and they both have come in and looked fantastic and really raised their level and so we're excited about them. Adam Jankowski from the cross country season, he was one of our top guys. He is going to be a guy on the track that's going to be immediately an impact trying to break up the Tulsa and the Charlote guys. And so that'll be significant as a grad transfer newcomer. So that's a different kind of newcomer.
But on the girls side, Kate Campos is a terrific hurdler. She's the fastest girl in the history of state of Nebraska in both 103 hundred hurdles.
You line her up next to Destiny and some practices and they have some good battles and she's been impressive. Freshmen certainly have ups and downs and so you just never know when they find their footing, but those are certainly some ones. But we've got a deep group of newcomers, and Friday at the inner squad meet is going to tell us something because that'll be the first time, really on your mark. Set. Here's the gun. Little bit of nervousness working itself out and seeing where they're at, but, yeah, it'll be good. I think there'll be a lot of new faces that people are excited about.
[00:18:56] Speaker A: So the parish twins that you mentioned from Olatha north, they are hurdlers, jumpers and sprints, correct?
[00:19:03] Speaker B: Yeah, they kind of do a little bit of everything and we're trying to figure out, you don't want to spread them too thin as a freshman, but they're training in all those things and they have different strengths. They're not identical events. And so Jason is more of a long sprinter, maybe 400 hurdles, but he's also doing some high hurdles in jumps. But Josh is more of a short sprinter, 60 hurdles. He does triple jump that Jason doesn't do. So, yeah, that's an exciting group. They're good guys. They're real good students.
They've come in and not been intimidated by the Division one athletics thing. They've seemed to fit right in and it'll be fun to watch them develop this year.
[00:19:44] Speaker A: I've not met them yet. What are the dynamics of coaching twins? Are they very similar?
How do they work in that?
[00:19:51] Speaker B: Yeah, they live together in the know. It's kind of like Nikki Larchmiller and Taylor Larchmiller in a way, a male version of it, and they don't do exactly the same events, but they kind of do the same events and they're real supportive of each other. They're super competitive with each other and it's a fun dynamic. It's not any type of negativity to them at all. So they wanted to come to school together. That was part of the recruiting process. And sometimes it's like, let me live with somebody else in the dorm or something. So it's been a really good thing. And you just know over the Christmas break when they go home to train, there's a little break here for our team. They're going to be pushing each other. They have a great training partner right there all the time. And they are on a different kind of mindset as most freshmen. They're ready to contribute.
They aren't like, hey, let's take some time and develop. Hey, how many points are we going to score? And let's win another championship. So it's fun to see a freshman come in because they had that success winning state championships in high school. So that's where they're coming in from. A good program like that, already ready to contribute to the team.
[00:21:00] Speaker A: Okay, we've wrapped up the track and field talk. Let's get to the movies. We always talk about movies with John Wise. If you have not checked out his YouTube channel, Travel with a wise guy, looks like you're up to almost 20,000 subscribers.
[00:21:16] Speaker B: Getting there, yeah.
[00:21:17] Speaker A: Tell us a little bit about how the algorithm works. How do you grow that kind of a thing? You do travel videos. Smallest town in Kansas, smallest town in Arkansas. All over the place, Route 66, all kinds of things.
How has the site grown so much?
[00:21:35] Speaker B: It's fascinating because most of my time is devoted to track and field, but if you were to follow me, you think most of my time is devoted to YouTube.
It's super interesting because I didn't know anything about it and started just doing it for fun. It was during COVID our season got canceled. I was bored to death. And so let's do something. And so start this YouTube channel and what I've learned in terms of growing it. At first, I just did random videos I was doing. Here's a travel video. Here's a video of me and Coach Benton doing slushy review. Here's like some random, here's a track meet video that I'm going to go do. And what I've learned in terms of the algorithm is that stay in your lane a little bit and if people subscribe to you, it's kind of for a reason. They like that type of video. So I've kind of narrowed it into being like, hey, I want to stay generally in the small towns, travel history, those all things kind of relate to each other and if I want to do some kind of other video, I probably should have a different channel, start a secondary channel to do something like that. And a lot of people do that. I've noticed that because it kind of messes up your algorithm all of a sudden. If people are unsubscribed because they didn't want that kind of video.
I'm not a celebrity, so some YouTube people are celebrities, so people will subscribe to listen to them, whatever they dO. Not being a celebrity of any level, it's more about the topic and the subject matter. So I've learned to kind of stay in my lane, travel history, things like that. I tried to tie in movies with some of the travel.
I went to the killers of the Flower Moon movie location. So you're talking about history. They're all small towns, but taking a little movie fun that I enjoy too, and throwing in there. So I did that. I did like the Bridges of Madison county, went to know bridges that were in the movie. I went to the Field of dreams. So those kind of things somewhat related. And you can sprinkle in here and there.
[00:23:34] Speaker A: How has your technique or your technology improved over the last few years since you started?
[00:23:41] Speaker B: Well, I don't think I could have done this any sooner than when I started it, like three and a half years ago, because I do everything on my phone, and the technology of your phone to edit, to have drone video is all. Now everything's in my phone. Before the amount of time to edit in an editing software, I wouldn't have enough time to do it because I've done a lot of that editing for track and field, whether we do a highlight film or something for a banquet, and I just know how long that takes. But in a phone, it's a lot easier. And the one thing I've learned is that for YouTube, if anybody's out there wanting to start a YouTube channel, seven or eight out of ten in quality is probably good enough. Some people would say, well, you need to be a perfect video, but the amount of time to get it from an eight out of ten to a ten out of ten is a lot. And in YouTube, you want to have content, you want to constantly be putting stuff out there. So you have a regular schedule, once a week, twice a week, or whatever that is. And the quality of the video is secondary to the content of the video. Now, you can't have a two out of ten quality. People aren't going to watch that. So I've gotten to the point where I can put a seven or eight out of ten. I'm not a professional editor, but it's good enough. And that keeps people knowing they're going to have some level quality, but they're more interested in listening to where you're going and seeing the places that they haven't been.
[00:25:01] Speaker A: So Killer of the Flower Moon, Fabulous book came out, I guess, four or five years ago now about the Native Americans in kind of Northern Oklahoma, Northeastern Oklahoma. A lot of oil money. There was a lot of bad things happening then, a lot of murder poisoning. Now is the subject of a movie. MArtIn Scorsese, Leonardo DiCaprio is in it. You went down to that part of Oklahoma, Pahuska, and did, I think, a 17 minutes video. It was really interesting.
Tell us about the video and how you wandered down there.
[00:25:36] Speaker B: So I actually went down there last year not knowing they had filmed or they were in the process of filming a movie and learned about, while I was there learning about this history. And then I actually met someone on the Greyhorse Reservation, which is kind of the center of it. And the guy told me about it, and he told me about, there's a little museum over here to go to, and then they're making a movie and this and that. I'm like, oh, wow. So I went down there. If you watched any of those old videos, I kind of touch on that, but I didn't really know what I was talking about. And then when the book came out, or the book had already been out at that point, so I got the book, read the book, saw the movie, and I'm like, well, I need to go back and revisit these places now that I really have a better understanding of what went on. And it was really rewarding because there's tons of interesting small Towns in that area. But what went on is just wild. And you hear about Wild West Stories of the Western frontier. This is a Wild west story of a totally different type of subject matter. And that probably not enough people had known about. Heck, I didn't know about it until recently, and I lived 2 hours from less than 2 hours from some of the places that I went and checked out. So, yeah, it was a lot of fun and just learning about that and then going to the actual places and trying to research, well, this is maybe where this death occurred, and this is where the meetings took place. And here's a school that the bad guy in the movie funded, and there's the actual school here in real life that's still there. So that was one of the most rewarding trips I took. And I did it all in one day. And I live in Wichita, so if you live in Wichita, you could follow the path of my video and go to all the same places pretty quickly.
[00:27:18] Speaker A: Definitely just a horrible, heart wrenching story in the book. It even touches into Southeast Kansas. So there's definitely a very local flavor to it. What's the response been to that video specifically?
[00:27:33] Speaker B: So that one has been decent. It's not like it went viral, but it was a think. I think there's quite a few people from Oklahoma that follow and then they immediately going to watch anything from Oklahoma. But with the movie coming out at the same time, I noticed that not only did that movie have or that video have some interest, but the videos I did last year got interest, kind of lagging interest, because I just did videos about some of the towns not knowing. And so people are just interested in the history of the towns even. But yeah, people teach me stuff in the comments. There's some really very intelligent people that watch the videos that are educating me. So I put videos out there. Sometimes I go, I'm not quite sure what about this? And then somebody in the comment is going to talk about it and they're going to educate me and everybody else. So it's become a fun little community of how people watch and comment and interact.
[00:28:29] Speaker A: Were there any comments from an M. Scorsese about editing or lighting or pacing or anything like that?
[00:28:37] Speaker B: No, but when I did, I did post it on Twitter and I tagged two people. I tagged Leonardo DiCaprio because he has a Twitter and Brent Kimnitz since he's from Oklahoma, and he responded and he liked to be included in the same tweet with Leonardo DiCaprio.
[00:28:52] Speaker A: So you've seen the movie. Thoughts?
What's your review of Killers of the Flower Moon?
[00:28:59] Speaker B: Really good people talk about how long it was before you go into it. Three and a half hours. I thought it passed pretty quickly. And having read the book previous to that, I liked how it was a little different perspective in how they told the story.
[00:29:15] Speaker A: The ending of the movie, Killers of the Flower Moon was well done, I thought. What was your impression of how they wrapped that up?
[00:29:21] Speaker B: I think it's always hard to wrap up a movie like that because when you're basing it on something that happened, there's really not an ending. It's just the history has continued even to this day. So how do you do that? And the way they did it, it wasn't a typical movie ending, and they basically did an epilogue. It would be like an epilogue of a book. Almost in a very creative, unique style.
[00:29:46] Speaker A: I would agree. The time, the length of it, I thought it went by pretty quickly.
That should not dissuade anyone from going to it. What I enjoyed about the book that did not really translate to the movie. I'll be interested in what you thought. I thought the poisoning part of the conspiracy was made more clear in the book. I thought the scope of their wealth from the oil was made more clear in the book. And then, and I'm sure this was just totally for time, the evolution of the FBI coming out of this incident was a bigger deal in the book. What did you think about those aspects of it?
[00:30:28] Speaker B: Yeah, and I've heard. I agree. And then, you know, people talk a, there's a different version of that movie that will come out someday on a DVD or some sort of special features that's longer or that maybe they did make that part. I've heard about it with, like the Napoleon movie that's out right now, that they focused a lot on his kind of personal life and less on the historical war stuff that he did. But there's probably a longer version of that that is more focused on some of those things that I would probably be more interested in, like you're talking about with that.
But at some point you're like, well, how long is this movie going to be, especially if it's in a movie theater and it's got to make money and you can't put a five hour movie in a movie theater. So I'd be interested to see if maybe they did try to film some of those things or if they just decided not to originally a lot of times. And luckily now with our technology, those versions will come out eventually, probably at some point or extras or deleted scenes. And that would be interesting how they do that. But yeah, books are always going to be, I think, going to explain things better, like Moneyball. The details in Moneyball are so more significant than the movie. And so if you like the movie, then certainly go back and read the book and it's going to fill in some things like that as well.
[00:31:49] Speaker A: So, Killers of the Flower Moon, excellent movie, excellent book. I think we would both highly recommend it. If you're looking for a Christmas present or looking for something to do, run out and get it. Let's go back to your video. There is a spoiler. I guess we'll give a spoiler alert. If you're going to watch John's video and you don't want the, what would we call it, a twist at the end. I guess if you don't want to know what that is, then now's your time to move on. Or turn off the volume.
Have you found out why William Hale, who is principal Evildoer in the book and the movie, have you found out why he's buried in?
[00:32:27] Speaker B: And like I mentioned in the comments, there were a lot of people that were trying to figure it out after I posted the video.
His burial is across the street from the track. So I've looked at it, not knowing what I was looking at.
You wonder why there is oil history or is there family history? And when I did go over there and was trying to find exactly when I was told that's where he was, when I was trying to find out. They have a big book that shows all the different names. And there's a huge. It's a huge cemetery. And if you're trying to find somebody, it's like a maze. But there were 25 hails in there. Doesn't mean they're all related. But that was interesting that I didn't realize. And then when I posted thaT, I kind of left the ending kind of open of asking does anybody know why? And there were lots of amateur investigators after that video and some really interesting ideas, but nobody could figure out why. So if anybody there knows, it's probably something to do with a family relative or something like that. He was in Arizona when he died and in, I think a nursing home or something like that. And. Yeah. Just didn't appear to be. He couldn't go to Oklahoma. He wasn't allowed to go back to Oklahoma. So that's one reason he didn't end up in Oklahoma. And. Yeah. So maybe his nearest relative, maybe there was some ties with oil at some level. Maybe when he was younger. And he was obviously a significant person. That's not far from Wichita. When he was living probably 2 hours from Wichita. All those times of the movie. And so. I don't know. Haven't figured it out yet.
[00:34:09] Speaker A: Interesting conclusion to the video. A little spooky. You couldn't find the light. And then you helpfully put a Red arrow on your office outside Cessna Stadium. So that was a good way to wrap it up. Okay. Is there a movie over Christmas that you are excited to see?
[00:34:24] Speaker B: So I haven't seen Napoleon. I'm definitely going to see that. It's just the historical perspective of it. And I don't know much about know. I got into history more older as I've been older. And I'm sure we learned about Napoleon growing up. But I don't remember. And so I kind of want to watch the movie and then maybe deep dive more about him after. And so I haven't tried to watch previews very much or see reviews I've heard plus and minus about the movie if it's good or not. So maybe that'll be something intriguing. But no other than that one. I saw Oppenheimer earlier this year, which is another kind of historical epic movie, but I'd love to over Christmas catch a good comedy if there's anything coming out. But the comedies have been fewer and far between, it seems like in recent years. But no, Napoleon's probably the one.
[00:35:14] Speaker A: The boys in the boat is the one that I am very excited to see based on. Also an excellent book, kind of similar to Killers of the Flower Moon, about the crew team at the University of Washington and the 1936 Olympics.
[00:35:25] Speaker B: I saw the previews for that and definitely I thought, yeah, that would be a pretty fun one for sure.
[00:35:32] Speaker A: I'm really looking forward to that. All right. John Wise, assistant director of track and Field and cross country at Wichita State. The Shockers indoor track season underway. Inter squad meet Friday at the Hesket Center. John, thanks for your time.
[00:35:44] Speaker B: Appreciate it, as always.
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[00:36:48] Speaker A: It is over, ladies and gentlemen. Say it slowly and savor it. Wichita State is going to the final Four for the first time in 48 years. Unbelievable. What a scene, folks. The Shocker fans are just going crazy in the sand.
[00:37:07] Speaker B: Just maybe the greatest win in the.
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