Speaker 1 00:00:11 Hello, welcome to the Roundhouse Podcast with Paul Salandro of Wichita State University strategic communications. Today's guests are seniors on the Wichita State Tennis team, arre Ove, and Zach Gruber. They will play their final home match of the season on Saturday. Both the shocker men and women play Creighton. Uh, there's some weather questions, so we're not quite sure where and when, but you can pay attention to social media go shockers.com and they will, uh, they will give you that information about times and, and places on Saturday for the shockers. To wrap up the, the regular season here in Wichita, arre is from Israel. He has largely played two and three singles. Number two doubles this spring. Zack is from Columbia, Missouri. Both of them in addition to their tennis exploits, are it a scholar, athletes and academic all conference picks Wichita State, uh, the men's team is 10 and 14 this season, they are coming off a win over number 55 s SMU as they head into the, uh, the final weeks of the season. So, arre, let's start with you. What are some of the thoughts that, that go through your mind as you're close to wrapping up your your college tennis journey?
Speaker 2 00:01:18 The main thing is just keep enjoying same as I enjoyed when I was a freshman. Um, try to stay motivated and push for the last few matches, not just for me, but for the guys to do, to do good and to accomplish as much as we can for this season.
Speaker 1 00:01:38 So, coming off a win over SM u uh, is that helpful going into these last few weeks? Does that give the team some momentum? Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:01:44 Absolutely. Like in terms of confident, I think the guys have more confident right now both singles and doubles and I think, uh, it bonds us more as a team, uh, and just shows us that the conference is winnable and every match is winnable. So it doesn't matter the rank, uh, of the team or how good the player, uh, or the opponent. Uh, we can just do everything well.
Speaker 1 00:02:09 So the conference matches. Conference tournament as Asra mentioned, coming up next week in Orlando. So Zack, you've had a very well-rounded time here at, at Wichita State. You've got the Tennis Academic Hall Conference. You've been very active on the Student Athlete Advisory Committee. Uh, you graduated, you're working on your master's degree and applied economics. What's going through your mind as you're going through all these kind of last markers? You're down to the last few practices, last road trips, all those kind of things that have been a big part of your life. What's uppermost on your mind?
Speaker 3 00:02:40 Yeah, I mean, likel said most important thing is enjoying it. Um, for me, obviously I'm really excited to start working this summer, start, um, seeing what's out there in the real world. But at the same time, I really have to enjoy these last few weeks, um, with the team, just everything that comes with that, hanging out, practicing, just trying to enjoy the matches, practices, all of that is really important. Important cuz I know I'm gonna miss it for sure.
Speaker 1 00:03:09 Did it, does it everyone's, or a lot of people say it goes fast, Orel, did it go fast? Does Zack, did it go fast for you? Do you look back on it now and go, boy, that really zoomed by?
Speaker 3 00:03:16 It went really fast. Um, yeah, feels like just yesterday I was visiting, staying with the Rel in his apartment on my visit. I don't know, I don't know where the time went,
Speaker 1 00:03:27 But, okay. So Arrel was your, your host on your visit?
Speaker 2 00:03:29 Yes, I came here a year before him and I was his host and, uh, yeah, it's surreal that five years almost already passed. So yeah,
Speaker 1 00:03:40 It does go, it does go fast. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Zack, tell us a little bit about, uh, sac. You meet monthly, discuss a lot of university issues, NCAA issues, there's, uh, community service involved. Why, why did you, did you get involved in that type of an organization?
Speaker 3 00:03:56 Well, first when I came here I found out that AR was in sac. So AR has also been a SAC member for five years, <laugh>. Um, I really wanted to get involved cuz in high school we had a similar thing called, I think it was called Brew and Cup. Um, basically the same kind of idea where, um, it was a bunch of stu student athletes, they were meeting, um, hosting events for, um, athletes. Um, there was like an end of the year celebration for the sports similar to gold carpet, like what we have. And I really enjoyed being involved with different events and stuff and being able to benefit, um, my teammates. And with sac, that's really the big thing is we're working to make the student athletic experience better. Um, and I really enjoy that. Um, I think it's important for sure. Uh, aal, do you have anything to add?
Speaker 1 00:04:49 Yeah, what aal what's, what are you happiest about or what do you think the best thing you've, you've learned or, or been a part of as part of sac?
Speaker 2 00:04:57 I think just to give my voice as an international student and help other international student as well, like to feel welcome in Wichita State. That was a big part for me. And like Zach said, same for, same for me when I was in middle school and primary school. Um, not very in high school, but I was always wanting to be involved in like the student community. So especially when we were in student athletes, we want to hear like, we want our voices to be heard. So I think that was the main thing for me, just to help others.
Speaker 1 00:05:30 So this has to be a fascinating time to be involved in a, in a group like that. Both of you would've gone through Covid, uh, both of you would've gone through the real growth in the, in the transfer portal and uh, name image and likeness legislation. So give us some perspective. What does this all mean for college athletics? That's probably a big question, but what does this mean for college athletics? Where do you see college athletics going over the next three years, five years, 10 years?
Speaker 3 00:05:57 Uh, that's a tough question for sure. I mean, I think it really depends on the sport. Um, like for basketball or football for example, you're, it is really gonna benefit a big majority of, um, the athletes. Um, a lot of them are, and even baseball, I've heard they, that a lot of their athletes are able to benefit from this. Like they, some schools have so much nil l like, uh, packing them I guess, um, that they can have people as walk on student athletes as walk-ons, yet their n I l deals are making them enough money that they're able to pay for school. So I think that's definitely like a benefit, um, for certain schools, especially schools that don't have, um, the same amount of resources as the bigger schools. Um, for tennis specifically, it's tough cuz probably only the top, top, top 1% are probably gonna really be benefiting from this. Um, so it's difficult to see how um, tennis athletes like us will be able to benefit greatly from it. But I'd like to see where it goes in the future for sure.
Speaker 1 00:07:07 Okay. Uh, favorite professional tennis player or rel do you have somebody that you maybe emulate or you particularly enjoy watching?
Speaker 2 00:07:16 Unfortunately, it's a former tennis player. Roger Feller is, was one of my favorites, uh, current tennis player. It's kinda questionable for a lot of players, but I, I really like to watch, uh, Veev and Nick Curious, just the way they express themself, even though it seems bad on tv, I just feel like that's the way of them dealing with the sports. Cause uh, tennis is a very mental sport. Uh, you have to be really strong mentally, so I feel like they express it in a different way, which is not very likable, but I feel like just, just that's the way they're showing it and I still feel like it's important to see that side of it. Like it's not everything like beautiful and like you can be calm and stuff like that. It's also like very stressful.
Speaker 1 00:08:04 Zack, how about you?
Speaker 3 00:08:05 My favorite since I've been a kid has always been roughing a doll. Um, just the way his tenacity, the way he approaches every match, every practice, uh, gives a hundred percent. I think he's just like the ideal person that anyone should try to mimic, whether it's in tennis or in life. He just always gives a hundred percent and he's always, um, a great person winner. Whether he wins or lose loses, he is always, um, just good about it. I, I don't know, I just think he's the ideal person to try to be like. So
Speaker 1 00:08:41 Zach, do you have a theory on the, maybe the scarcity of Americans at the top of the professional tennis ladder?
Speaker 3 00:08:48 Um, well that's actually starting to change. Um, there isn't, I think there's probably double J digits in the top 50 right now. Um, men's tennis, American men's tennis is, and women's tennis is definitely on the rise, I think, and especially with former collegiate player Ben Shelton, the way he shot up the rankings. I mean, last year he is playing college tennis and now he's top 50, top 30, almost even. Um, I think it's definitely on the rise and I think that they're doing a great job, um, supporting, um, college tennis players and those who choose not play talent, college tennis
Speaker 1 00:09:24 Advice. Ariel, if you were to look back, um, meet a, an incoming freshman or maybe a high school senior who's starting to think about their college journey, what what advice would you give them about academically, athletically getting started in, in college?
Speaker 2 00:09:39 Uh, first will be the time management. Uh, you need to, you need to realize that it's not gonna be easy. You're not gonna be a regular student. Uh, you're gonna be a student athlete, but, but first and foremost you're gonna be a student. So you have to focus first on studying because, uh, in every professional sport, unfortunately, there can be some injuries, some things can happen and maybe your career can end. So focus on studying a lot, know how to time manage that. And in terms of, uh, athletic sports or whatever, um, focus on, on your body and the stuff outside of just practice. Um, about, for me, what's been the most beneficial was to use like, the resources that we have here. So I, I went to, um, a psychologist at the time was, uh, Dr. Bri. So I think the mental aspect is very important to know how to balance your social life, your practices, and, um, school-wise and also just take care of your body in terms of like conditioning and nutrition and uh, stretches and stuff like that. That's very important.
Speaker 1 00:10:52 So how many of those time management skills did you come here with and how much did you have to, to learn as you, as you went along here at Wichita
Speaker 2 00:11:01 State? So I think as you said, like I came here older than the other guys, I had to serve three years in the military service, uh, in Israel. So I came here when I was like 21, 22. So I had that in mind already. Like I had to go to the army, do my couple hours, uh, at the job office, then after that practice and then manage like the stretchers and stuff like that. So I was aware of that. And then coming back to school, I had to add that extra step. So just every, every semester was different in terms of schedule, but I was just managing it when time went by.
Speaker 1 00:11:35 Zach, what's your advice to a youngster thinking about college athletics?
Speaker 3 00:11:38 Well, I would, so I've got two answers, like or else said. The one answer for sports specifically is definitely just to do extra. Um, I know like, like when I, I first got here, I felt like with practices in class, like it was all so much. Um, and that comes with the, with comes with that as the time, time management. But, um, if you can find a way to do extra, I, I think that's really the key to, um, growing as an athlete. Um, like when I first got here, I struggled with some injuries, um, for my first year and a half probably. Um, but since then, really found like going, seeing the trainers, doing extra, working out on my own, um, doing extra like after practice, stuff like that can really benefit you physically and on the court and or whatever your sport is.
Speaker 3 00:12:37 So I think that's really important. Once you can figure out that time management, you can start doing more and that will really be beneficial. Um, the second thing overall, college, college and athletics. Being a student athlete I think is just to diversify herself. Um, like I came in, uh, when I came here as a freshman, I was really just either going to class or going to practice. Um, but as I spent a year or so, I started to develop more things. Like I got more into sac. Um, I made some friends outside of tennis and outside, outside of school. Um, that really helped me kind of diversify my life, I guess. And it really helped me teach a lot of things and I feel like it helped me grow a lot. So I think that's super important to, for incoming freshman to learn.
Speaker 1 00:13:29 So you would've had a little bit more of a, or much more of a typical journey then orl because you came here right outta high school. What was it like, uh, you know, encountering tougher competition, the injuries? You mentioned the diet, you know, you, you get a lot of high school students who are, you know, they were the best in their school, uh, and then they come to college, whether it's Wichita State or somewhere else and, and things can change. How, what was that learning process like as as far as, you know, these are the things I need to do to improve and the time I need to devote?
Speaker 3 00:14:02 Yeah, it was definitely a big shock for me, I guess. Um, like you said, definitely coming out of high school, we were the best. Um, my high school team was really good and we won a lot of stage championships. And then in junior tennis, obviously, like we were definitely, I was one of the best in the state, I guess. Um, so I came into college thinking, oh, it's not gonna be too difficult. Um, I think I'll definitely be in the lineup. And then getting here, seeing the level of the guys definitely, um, was a shock at first. And it was definitely difficult for the first year or so trying to get to that level. Um, yeah, it was a, it was a big shock, but like, I, like I said, I think just doing the extra work is really what you have to do, what incoming freshmen and underclassmen really have to do if they want to crack the lineup or that sort of thing. I, that's really important. Yeah,
Speaker 2 00:15:01 And I think if I can add to what Zack said, like that's what makes, uh, college tennis kind of easier than professional tennis. Um, since I play both that I noticed the difference right away. Um, you can come to college and dream big and work hard and stay disciplined, but if you're gonna bring alongside you, your teammates, it's gonna be much easier because you guys both have the same, like both the same goals as a team, but also have individual goals that will make you better, not only for yourself but also for the team. That way, like, like Zach said, like yeah, the, the level is high sometimes, but if, if, if I see a guy like Zach pushing hard then makes me want to push hard alongside with him. So that way like we can both accomplish our goals.
Speaker 3 00:15:49 Yeah, and I'll add to that again. Um, definitely super helpful. Like my first year I definitely struggled with that level and what really helped me was the team coming around and supporting me along with our coaches too. Um, they really supported me and made me feel welcome even when I was struggling. And I think that was super beneficial for me getting to the level where I feel like I am now, which is a lot better. So yeah, just using your team is, I mean they're, they support you, you just have to realize it really.
Speaker 1 00:16:25 So tennis would be one of those sports probably along with golf track and field where a lot of people would think of as an individual sport. But you're saying the team aspect is, is really important. Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3 00:16:37 I mean, it's, it's huge. Um, just like from this year alone, I've realized how important it can be when you're not playing, um, to like, when you're cheering on somebody on the court, actually, like a, a lot of times I'm on a res court and you can really make a difference when they win a big point and they see you on the side. Like you're into it and you're like, you're into it and watching and you're like cheering just as hard. Like you when you say like, come on, just as loud as they're saying, come on. When they're playing, I think it really makes a difference. Um, shows them how much you care and it can really make a difference in their match. Um, so yeah, I think it's super important to have anything else to add.
Speaker 2 00:17:19 No, I, I feel I, I totally agree. I just feel like from the guy that who is on the court just to get out energy from people outside of the court, just it brings you more energy and, um, energy. I feel like energy attracts energy. So like if you are good and you are positive and stuff like that and other people are like that as well, then you're gonna get that and you're gonna get that motivation, um, to play better, I guess. Cause like if, if you are alone on the tour going abroad to different countries without any coaches and stuff like that and not no one that you are kind of know from back home, then it's really hard to push yourself alone. So that way, like it's, it's very been, it's been very helpful.
Speaker 1 00:18:05 Arre. So you, I'm sorry Zach, could you have Yeah, there was
Speaker 3 00:18:07 One more thing I was gonna add, especially with college tennis, how it is kind of different from say like college, like baseball or basketball where you have that energy from the fans where there's thousands of fans watching and cheering. Um, with tennis we have like some, we have a lot of loyal fans, but it's generally in like the 10 to 20 people range and then we're, when we're on the road and it's almost nobody, right? So, um, if, if we didn't have like a, our team teammates cheering on the side and there's like almost no energy supporting the people playing. So I think that that's the main reason why it's so important, um, when you're not playing to have to be supporting your teammates. I think that's why it's so beneficial cuz you don't have anybody else.
Speaker 2 00:18:53 So come watch us on Saturday.
Speaker 1 00:18:55 <laugh>. There you go. Shockers verse c Creighton on on Saturday or else you came here 2018, you served three years in the, uh, Israeli military after high school. So you would have experiences, you would have a level of maturity that maybe some of your teammates have not. How do you try to use that to, to help the younger people to help the, help the team in general?
Speaker 2 00:19:19 That's a good question. Um, I just felt that, uh, I can contribute for a lot of players. Just from my own experience, I felt, um, kind of responsibility that my voice will be heard. Cause at the end of the day, what I care about is more the goal of the team than my own goal. And like, going back to what, what we said earlier, I feel like if I'm gonna push hard my teammates and make the goal of the team, then I'm gonna become better and each player individually will come gonna become better. So we mainly focused on over my last four or five years, like ever since I came here, basically we focused on building a culture. And I think coming from a small town in Israel, uh, with not a lot of financial support, I felt like I'm always, always been like underdog in my life. And that's the way I kind of see Wichita State compared to other schools in our conference. We don't have like a big budget in tennis or like, we don't have like all the resources that we need, for example, like in indoor courts and stuff like that. But we still gonna work hard, push hard and prove everyone that even though we are underdogs, we are fighting to get what we want.
Speaker 1 00:20:45 Zach, your favorite pizza in Wichita and how does it compare to Shakespeares in, in Columbia, which I think is that the most famous pizza in Columbia? Most famous restaurant?
Speaker 3 00:20:54 Yeah, it's definitely the most famous.
Speaker 1 00:20:56 Hmm. Harpos and Shakespeares. Are those the two things everyone has heard
Speaker 3 00:20:59 About? I, I've never, I've never had Harpos, but I I I know it's popular. Shakespeare is, is the most popular for sure. Uh, favorite pizza in Wichita? Um, I mean, Ziggy's comes to mind for sure. We have it at like, most of the sack meetings, <laugh>, so it's pretty good. I don't know. Shakespeare's I would say is a little better. Shakespeare's a lot some people don't like though. Um, it's kind of thin crust. It's got a different flavor. Um, yeah, Shakespeare's a little better. My all time favorite though is Emos for sure. Okay. Emos is
Speaker 1 00:21:32 The best. Now I know they have that in St. Louis. Yeah. Did they have that in Columbia too?
Speaker 3 00:21:35 Yeah, there's one in Columbia, I think it's from St. Louis. Right, right. Restrain.
Speaker 1 00:21:39 So yeah. Okay. I've eaten a lot of, a lot of Emos over at the, uh, Missouri Valley conference tournament when I was in, in St. Louis. All right. Ziggy's very good. Yeah, there were a couple right answers here in Wichita and Ziggy's would be, Ziggy's would be one of them. Okay, good. Uh, Elle, what's next for you after, after Wichita State?
Speaker 2 00:21:57 Um, so I'm thinking to go to the coaching side. Uh, I have a couple clients back home that I'm coaching and a couple professional kids that I'm working on with. Um, I definitely want to help people, even if they're amateurs or professional, just to fulfill their dreams. Something that I kinda wanted to go more on in my professional career. In college career, I was not able to as much as I wanted, but I still think I can help others to fulfill their dreams and like accomplish what they want. So definitely like coaching tennis at the start.
Speaker 1 00:22:34 Did you come to Wichita State thinking you were going to get into coaching?
Speaker 2 00:22:39 No. So right at the start I was thinking, I'm, I'm gonna go, I'm gonna stay in the sports field and I'm gonna do something like exercise science. I just fell in love with business and I feel like the management and marketing aspect can really benefit me, uh, in coaching, tennis. Like the end goal is maybe gonna be a director of some club, um, and have my own club. Um, but yeah, just stay in the business aspect if it, even if it's gonna be tennis coaching. Cause at the end of the day I cannot, when I'm gonna be 50, it's gonna be hard to stay on the court, so it's not gonna be easy. So I definitely think about other, uh, other stuff to stay in the business, uh, business world. But, um, I still think like I'm gonna coach for a few more years.
Speaker 1 00:23:31 Zach, you're working on your master's degree. What are your plans?
Speaker 3 00:23:35 Uh, well, so, so far I'm planning to work with Koch this summer. I have an internship, um, really excited for that. Um, I ultimately want to want to do something in data analysis or data analytics, data science. Um, but I'm not exactly sure where, what exactly I want to do yet. Um, uh, definitely still open to maybe PhD in economics. Um, kind of just feeling it out. Definitely something in the business world. Um, as much as coaching sounds fun like Elle, um, it's tough. <laugh> being on court all day, uh, is brutal. So I think the office fits me better.
Speaker 1 00:24:16 Your internship with Koch this summer, what will you be doing?
Speaker 3 00:24:20 Uh, I'll be doing some, uh, analytics for, for the case agriculture.
Speaker 1 00:24:26 Okay. Or you talked about being on the court at 50, so that leads me into asking about pickleball, which I guess is the question you have to ask every tennis player now or pickleball interested, not interested. What are your thoughts on that story?
Speaker 2 00:24:39 I really, I really like pickleball. I, I don't see myself, uh, professionally in it. Um, it's something I never considered until we talked about it just now, but, um, but I feel like pickleball is growing up, uh, growing, uh, worldwide. Uh, I know in Israel they start to build some, uh, pickleball courts, I think in Europe and in Israel as well. It's more like paddle tennis, but pickleball is growing up as well. Um, I was thinking more like maybe trying to coach pickleball, like just to study the pickleball aspect cuz it's very similar to tennis. Some rules are different, but like a lot of motions are the same. But maybe if I'm coaching tennis, I can also like help coach Pickable if I study more about that. So who
Speaker 1 00:25:26 Knows? I know there's something about a kitchen. You've gotta be careful about being in the kitchen with pickleball, the side, the kitchen. Right? We know that. Zach, how about you? What's your, what's your interest level in pickleball?
Speaker 3 00:25:36 I mean, in past summers I've wor I've taught tennis at country clubs and I've also taught pickleball. So it's very, it's fun. I enjoy it. Um, obviously I have to shout out former shocker tennis player, Jocelyn.
Speaker 1 00:25:49 All right. And Lucy Covelo. Yeah, so there's two, there's at least two former shockers who are pretty prominent on the professional pickleball tour.
Speaker 2 00:25:56 There's another Israeli guy that plays Decel Bar. He is very good. He's like top three. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:26:01 Okay. All of them are like top five. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, all former tennis players. Um, so yeah, there's way more, even though we can talk about that, play tennis and then, or going into the professional pickleball. Um, I don't know, it's fun, but I don't know if I would ever consider a career in it. It seems pretty competitive.
Speaker 2 00:26:20 Very good. Zach is pretty good at it too.
Speaker 3 00:26:22 A as well. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:26:24 Okay.
Speaker 1 00:26:24 <laugh>. All right. All right. Let's wrap up, uh, book recommendation show that you're watching on Netflix. How are you passing time on long road trips? Zach, give us, give the people something to, uh, something to get hooked on.
Speaker 3 00:26:37 Okay. Book recommendations. Okay, I've got three. So first one, I thought that was a person.
Speaker 1 00:26:46 Let me, let me just stop and say how pleased I am that you have three books. Yeah. Because often I ask people and they will not have any books or they struggle to get a book. So the fact that you have three books to recommend, I'm thrilled. I
Speaker 3 00:26:58 Lo I, yeah, I love to read. So I read a lot. First one is, um, seven Habits. Um, it's got a longer title, but Seven Habits, what I call
Speaker 2 00:27:08 It Took one
Speaker 3 00:27:08 Of mine. Um, it's a really good book. Um, just about hard work and that sort of thing. Like, it's like just all encompassing about life. Um, I really love that book. Um, second one is, oh man, what's the title? It's the Booked by David Goggins. Um, what's the title?
Speaker 1 00:27:30 Keep Talking and I can look, I can help you maybe by looking it up.
Speaker 3 00:27:34 Yeah. I
Speaker 1 00:27:35 Mean, what's, what's the book about?
Speaker 3 00:27:37 So, I mean, David Goggins, uh, a lot, I don't know if you know him or not, but he is just, um, the guy really is a motivational speaker, I guess now who has been through a lot. Uh, he basically talks about his journey, um, in, was it the, the Marines, um, uh,
Speaker 1 00:27:55 Navy Seal. The
Speaker 3 00:27:57 Navy Seal, apparently his, his Navy Seal. Um, it took him like three attempts to pass the SEAL training. Um, he does like ultra marathons now, like a hundred mile races. And it's just like a really interesting book about hard work, um, keeping, um, staying motivated, staying persistent, that sort of thing. So I think it's a really interesting book hearing about his life too. And then third book, um, is Jordan B. Peterson, um, the 12, was it 12 Rules of Life? And then he also has a second one who's like, 12 more Rules of Life, I think. So another kind of another book about life. Um, just interesting like philosophical questions, um, how to attack different things. So yeah, I'm really into the, the self-improvement books. So anything in that
Speaker 1 00:28:48 Genre, I found a David Goggin's book, never Finished. Unshackle Your Mind. And then there's one Built Not Born
Speaker 3 00:28:56 Got it on my phone. I could find. I'm gonna look it
Speaker 1 00:28:59 Up. Can't Hurt Me. Master Your Mind and Defy the Odds.
Speaker 3 00:29:03 Can't Hurt
Speaker 1 00:29:03 Me. Okay. David Goggins Can't hurt me. Master your Mind and Defy the Odds. All right, so now you put the pressure on Orel. He's looking through his phone to try to find his favorite books.
Speaker 3 00:29:13 You need to say four now.
Speaker 2 00:29:15 No, four. You took me one. I I was about to say
Speaker 1 00:29:18 Seven Habits and which, which is the One Seven Habits. You also enjoyed that one.
Speaker 2 00:29:20 Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I read that. Okay. Um, uh, something, another, another book that uh, we read as a team and I really enjoyed was, uh, legacy about the All Blacks. It's like, uh,
Speaker 1 00:29:32 Oh, the, uh,
Speaker 2 00:29:33 New Zealand, yeah, New Zealand Rugby, rugby team. Yeah. How to build a culture in a team and stuff like that. Um, a book that is, um, some sort of, uh, my mantra in life. Unfortunately, my girlfriend wanted to read that. I don't know if she read that yet, but hopefully she, she did. Um, so I left it back home. Um, it's uh, it's called The Secret. Uh, I don't know who who wrote that. I can look it up. But, uh, just basically talking about like we said, like how energy attracts energy, all about, um, the way you think just will be fulfilled and stuff like that. I know Conor McGregor read it, former MMA fighter. He read it and just, I know Joovy I think read it as well. And another book that I really enjoyed reading was from Charles Koch was The Believe in People. That was a really good management book. So that's pretty much it.
Speaker 1 00:30:34 Okay. I've got The Secret by Rhonda Burn. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. All right. What a great way to wrap it up. Several book recommendations. One from Wichita Charles Koch. All right, Zach Elle, thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 00:30:46 Thank you. Thank you.
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