Speaker 1 00:00:12 Hello, welcome to the roundhouse podcast with Paul SOOP of Wichita state university, strategic communications. Thank you for listening today. We have Michael Brian who has one of the more interesting career arcs story arcs that I've been around at Wichita state. He is Wichita state's record holder in the wait throw and the hammer throw. Michael was a second team NCAA all American in both of those events. The wait throw in 2022, the hammer throw in 2021. Currently he ranks six nationally in the hammer with a distance of 70.3, three meters after winning the John McDonald invitational last week in Fayetteville, Arkansas, Michael is a senior from Wamego. He spent two years at Hutchinson community college before transferring to Wichita state. So Michael let's start with the spring semester at Wamego high year, figuring what do I wanna do? Football is an option, uh, but you don't really wanna play football. Tell us how you ended up getting into the throws and, or continuing your throws career and going to Hutchinson community college.
Speaker 2 00:01:14 Yeah, so I wasn't actually recruited anywhere, um, to do tracking field. I, I was only recruited to one school to do football and it was one of those N a I a like really small schools. Um, it just cost a lot. It's one of those private schools. So, um, I knew a guy, Eli Miller. He also went to MGO high and he was a senior when I was a junior. And so he was already at Huon by the time I was almost graduating and he was, is on the track program and he knew the head coach, pat Becker at Hutch. And I asked him if I could get his number or if he could give pat my number and just exchange calls. And so I think two weeks later he gave me a call and he wanted to know my numbers. He wanted to know a little bit about me and I could tell he was, wasn't very surprised by the numbers I was giving him.
Speaker 2 00:02:06 And, um, I, I just told him, I, like, I knew I wasn't that impressive. Just comparing myself to all the other athletes going into college. I told him, I don't really care if I get paid, or if you pay me a little bit, I just really want, I just want to do track more. I want extend this time that I have to compete. And so, I mean, fast forward a couple months later, I'm on the track team and I'm practicing. And this, this throws coach, um, his name is Skylar Orison. He was a WSU athlete. He threw the hammer. He, he was the second of the top two. And for the hammer throw now he's the third. And he coached me kind of like how DOF coached me right now. Like, there's a lot of similarities just cuz he was coached under DOF.
Speaker 1 00:02:56 When you say Dorf, John, he Dorf the, the throw was coach at Wichita state. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:03:00 Sorry. I get too used to that. No that's
Speaker 2 00:03:02 Yeah. Um, but yeah, he, he was all like, um, Skylar Oren was also a hu athlete. And so I guess he just came back out of uh, nice of these to be kind of like help out with coaching at Hutch. But once he introduced me to the hammer throw, he, he didn't tell me to do any drills before he just gave me a hammer. He said, I want you to throw this hammer. I don't want you to try to do anything. I don't want you to drill anything. I just want you to throw it and see how you feel. And so there's a video out there. I don't know how they got a hold of it, but Wichita state, but they show it every now and then in the team room when we have team meetings and it's the most ugly throw in the world, I'm winding two times and I take two throws and it just looks awful. It's it's very awkward.
Speaker 1 00:03:52 And that's your first attempt at the hammer or mm-hmm <affirmative> okay.
Speaker 2 00:03:55 Yeah, I, I have it on my phone somewhere, but before that someone else posted it when I didn't even have it, so it was pretty funny. But yeah, once I, once I started throwing the hammer discs and choppa, that kind of just filtered out, I just wasn't interested in anymore. And then it started becoming this weird obsession growing and growing and growing year. So two years into hu uh, it was more like a, a technical battle than a distance battle because I hit, I think at the start of the season for hammer at Hutchson my freshman year, I think it was like 36 meters or 35 meters. And then at the end of that first year I hit 49 or 48 somewhere around there. But that second year is kind of where I got stuck. I, I start, I think I started off with 48, ended off with 51.
Speaker 2 00:04:48 So not that big of a gap compared to the first year, but I really wanted a really big jump. So I could, you know, get more offers from other schools cuz you don't want to stay at a Juco for more than a one to two years. Like if you hit a third year, then you're just wasting that eligibility you could have for a bigger university. And I knew Wichita state was right next to Hutch and it was in Kansas. So tuition would be nice. And um, I wasn't being recruited at the end of um, well my sophomore year at hunched by anybody. So again, I had to go through that same process except I didn't know anybody that was going to any colleges. I just had to look up on the website and um, ask coaches. And the first web, the first college that I was interested in was Wichita state.
Speaker 2 00:05:36 And so I went on their website, found the head coach's email, found the throws coach's email. I emailed both of 'em. I, you know, did the normal, Hey, this is my name. This is what I throw. I'd love to, um, talk to you some more about possibly being an athlete on your team. And I think it was again like one to two weeks later, doff gave me a call. He, he wanted to talk to me about the same things that uh, pat Becker at Hutch wanted to talk about. And I told him my distances. I told him, um, kind of how I trained or how I feel about training. And again, he wasn't very in, uh, not, I wanna say interested, but impressed. So again, it, it wasn't a matter of being paid to me. It was just a matter of continuing to do this under support. So like I told Orff, this is one of my favorite things I like to remember is I, I told Orff I don't, I don't really need the money. It could be a walk on if you like, but I just want the opportunity to throw for you guys. And he seemed like pretty okay with that. He was like, yeah, we'll, we'll get you a visit. We'll talk to you. And we'll meet with the head coach and everything. And um,
Speaker 1 00:06:52 And at this point your distances were not anything spectacular,
Speaker 2 00:06:56 Not for ju go athlete know. So, um, fast forward a couple months later, I'm on the team. As of my knowledge, um, this is a funny story. Uh, the head coach told me, um, last year at the end of the year. So they, they kept this, they kept this a secret for me. So I actually didn't know I got kicked off the team before I even was on the team. So they put me on the roster and they wanted to kick me off immediately cuz they were running out of roster spots and I was one of the guys that then needed to kick off cuz everybody else like they, they had a really good team that year. So that afford that many roster spots. And so I don't know what happened, maybe Dorf convinced bolt to keep me on or something, but it's, I kind of see it as fate.
Speaker 2 00:07:49 Like thank you for <laugh> keeping me on that team cuz I mean that one year of improvement from starting at 51 meters and ending at 59 meters that, well, that's a huge jump for a red shirt year, but Dorf can, Dorf can attest to this, but I ignored the crap out of him trying to ask him so many questions about hammer, how to train hammer and everything. And after that first year after that first red shirt ear, um, this conversation with my, uh, with Dorf, um, the throws coach kind of, it's still stuck in my brain, but after everybody was done competing and we were going off the summer, I remember my last rating session. I walk up the Dorf and I ask him, what do I need to do to be a 70 meter hammer thrower? And I it's, it's something that I, I always remember, but he just laughs at me.
Speaker 2 00:08:44 He like, not in a, there's no way you can be a 70 meter, um, hammer throw or laugh, but it's more of a, are, are you being serious or are you being, are you trying to pull my leg or something? And I think after that little bit of silence for me, like not reacting, I think he started to realize that I was being serious and he told me, well, Mike, you kind of need to make hammer your life. And like that made complete sense to me. And so that summer I made hammer my life. And so I just trained through summer and started the next year, trained through all of that. And um, once I got more serious do started giving, giving me more journals to look at more authors, more throwers to look at and just give, giving me all the history behind it.
Speaker 2 00:09:33 And then like once he introduced the out to me, I kind of took it and I just ran with it. I just kept researching, kept looking at other throwers. I, I started calling other people. I start reaching out to all these, um, USA guys, these professional guys asking them like, how do they throw hammer? What did they think about it? And kind of like pooling all their knowledge and seeing would work for best for me. And it's just, I'm just always improving and always trying to mentally train myself to be like a better hammer thrower. And that's kind of the situation I'm in now is it's it never ends. I'm just always trying to find out new ways to be better.
Speaker 1 00:10:16 John described that conversation to me and he was clear, he wasn't scoffing at you laughing. He, he, his takeaway from that conversation was he was kind of laughing because he realized at that point you were on your path to really getting, you know, deep, deep into this. He thought that was the conversation he pointed to where he said, all right, this, this person is, he was really serious about it. That was kind of his recollection of it. Would, would you agree, was that kind of an important step on your journey to really diving deep into the hammer?
Speaker 2 00:10:45 Yes. Huge step.
Speaker 1 00:10:47 So the people that you reached out to, did you get good advice from somebody? Was there a, a, a prominent hammer thrower who was really helpful?
Speaker 2 00:10:54 Um, yeah, I got there's a lot, lot of guys. So, um, some of the ones I, I like you don't reach out to just cuz I mean, this was in the 1980s, but um, there's a coach called ATO bonder, Chuck. Um, I believe he was, he was Russian, but he's, he's the one who coached UDI, um, Sege, OV all those, all those guys that like world record holders, 86 meters, 84 meters. Those, those guys that are out there, like going crazy, but he recorded all their data and he has papers posted and he's got like 30 years of data just gathered up for hammer throw. And he's kind of the guy to look at for statistical analysis of how to train hammer. But some of the guys that I reach out out to like, let's say Tyler Williams, Sean Donnelly, UMLA Lanco. He's, he's probably my favorite person to reach out to cuz he trained under se Lipson off senior who was trained under Roger truck, that same guy. And it's just crazy to hear the things they would talk about and how they would train and how it's it's more of training the mind then it is the body because if you focus too much, you yeah. You're not exactly throwing the hammer. It's it's think less do more type of type of thinking. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:12:21 So I think if you watch a hammer thrower, you see how that could be a lot of fun. You, you kind of get to throw this heavy thing out there and maybe you can imagine I'm throwing it at a, at a dragon or there's just something really entertaining about the hammer throw from your perspective. What, what is it, what is it about that event that just grabbed you to this degree?
Speaker 2 00:12:40 Um, well turning a circle, that's definitely the most interesting thing. I've I've never, you don't, you don't really imagine doing four turns in a circle, just, you know, just, it seems like you would get really dizzy if you keep doing it over and over again. And that's exactly what happened when I first started throwing is I got really dizzy. Um, I realized now that, um, one of the guys that I came in with at Hutch, his name is Nick French. He, he got so dizzy one time, he actually puked on the side of the ring because he just, he couldn't handle the vertigo that was going on in his head. But you definitely have to adapt to that. But just seeing that, seeing that hammer go far is such a fun thing to watch. Same. I think some Jalin throws will say, say the same thing. It's just the froze. It's just fun to see that thing go.
Speaker 1 00:13:37 So, so there was one of the days when classes were canceled at Wichita state, cuz it was just snow miserable and I'm here in the morning and there's somebody out in the throwing area and it's, it's you, it's Michael Brian, uh, throwing in the snow and the, the wet and the cold and everything. Why, why take a day off and say, I'm gonna, I'm I'm gonna stay in bed or I'm gonna stay inside. Why do you need to be out there throwing in those kind of conditions?
Speaker 2 00:14:02 Um, well I, I have my, I have my days off that I schedule and I, if I, I don't have an off day scheduled, I have to throw and it doesn't matter if you raining, if it's, you know, if it's snowing, if it's super hot out, I that's kind of the time to throw and I, I don't see it as man it's wet or man it's hot or man it's freezing outside or there's ice on the ground. It's it's man. What a great opportunity to train in bad weather just in case we have a meet and bad weather. I, because like at Arkansas it was bad weather and everybody did bad and I got a PR. Um, but the just throwing in bad weather, you kind of have to do it if you, if you want to get better. Um, but it doesn't bother me too much. I'm kind of the guy that, you know, if it's snowy shovel it <laugh> if rainy sweep it out, if it's hot, bring some water
Speaker 1 00:15:05 Water's important. So John, he Andorf described your throwing career as one big research project. You've mentioned the scientific aspects of it already. Why does that part of throwing the hammer appeal to you?
Speaker 2 00:15:18 Um, Hammer's big on physics, so it's a lot about radius, tangential, velocity, acceleration of a ball, um, tension, uh, force through tension and how gravity works, the angle of release or, and everything. If you walk up to the bullpen up or the tracks, uh, coaches' offices is, are in, there's like four white boards, um, two on one side and two on the other, I believe. Um, if you look on one side, see whole bunch of drawings of, um, angles, you'll, you'll see a whole bunch of circles with a triangle, um, drawing in them. And it, it all means something to me cuz I'm going up there and I'm, I'm grabbing a dry erase marker and I'm just kind of experimenting going through all these numbers and forces and seeing how it would affect the certain throw. And the more I experiment with it, the more I start to understand what it, what it is.
Speaker 2 00:16:26 And um, if I, if I have something I'm confused about, especially when it comes to the physics of throw, like if I'm thinking about maybe I need more radius or maybe I need, um, more speed, I'll go up there and I'll experiment. What happens when you give it more radius? What happens if we give it more speed? What's what's the reaction on the body and what's the reaction on, on the ball and what's optimal for it to go as fast as possible as far as possible. And what's optimal to give the ball the most tension through the wire. It's all, it's all physics to me.
Speaker 1 00:17:00 Describe your jar of Penny's philosophy.
Speaker 2 00:17:03 Yeah. Um, that's, that's kind of a recent one. I've I think I've shared with a couple people, but it's, it's not something I really, nobody really asked me about, but just imagine, imagine a small jar and you have all these pennies in it. So you start of the day by dumping this jar out and you have all these pennies on, on your bed, on your table anywhere and you have an empty jar right next to it. And you start off your day with, let's say you wake up and you make your bed, brush your teeth, take a shower, organize your clothes, put 'em on, do everything, do your morning routine. That costs penny, that ti that costs time and energy. So you, you take those pennies and you dump it in the jar. Right. And for, I'm just using my example for my day. So I'm, I'm done getting ready and I'm, I'm driving to the track and I I'm getting ready to practice.
Speaker 2 00:18:05 And my practice usually, uh, um, usually occurs in two days. So I'll throw in the morning, go eat, throw again in the afternoon and then lift afterwards. Usually that takes about five to six hours to do overall. So that's five to six hours out of midday that I'm committing to just throwing the hammer and lifting weights and resting me to queen. So I take a larger handful of pennies and I dump it into that jar. And by the time I'm done with that, it's the, jar's almost halfway. It's halfway to, I I'd say a little bit above halfway full. So now I only have so many pennies left to put in my jar. What am I gonna use for those pennies? Now it's like, I guess I can use it to go out and party or you know, do do the other wasteful activities that would not help student athlete.
Speaker 2 00:19:00 Um, so I choose to maybe focus on homework. So I take a small, small amount of pennies dump that in there. And now I, now I have less pennies and so I will work. So I work at a liquor store because they pay pay really well. And they're really flexible with dude athletes. So there goes another penny or another couple of pennies. And by the time let's say like nine o'clock or 10 o'clock comes around, I have enough pennies for a good amount of sleep and some mental recovery or, you know, some, some small amount of time or hobby that I can do. Um, for me, it's very hard to kind of have that free time to just relax because I'm spending so much time with hammer that, you know, I've, I've already dedicated so much time that, you know, all those pennies are going to the jar.
Speaker 2 00:19:58 And so the concept of this jar pennies are, is like a day to day process. So you want to fill the jar to be the most productive. You can be to whatever you're doing. So let's say my jar is full and I still need to do something else. That means I didn't plan my day well enough because I have run out of time and energy to do that. So that means I need to sacrifice some other activity to complete other tax, but you can't take loans on this jar cuz you, you take loans. That means that you're sacrificing your, your mental health and you're sacrificing, um, your emotional energy and it all just gets taken away. And that's, that's kind of how I would explain my jar pennies.
Speaker 1 00:20:45 So you have a finite number of pennies and you can use them to eat right. Train, throw the hammer, or you can use 'em to watch Yellowstone or reruns of friends. And, but if you do that, then you have fewer pennies for rest time or homework or those kind of things. That's the, it's just it's resource allocation, I guess.
Speaker 2 00:21:05 Yeah. I'm I understand that like being a, being a divisional, one student athlete, I'm glad I caught this early on, but you only have so much time to be a student athlete. If you think about it, like in your whole lifetime, what is it? What's like four to six years out of the possibly a hundred years of your lifetime. You're gonna live and that's <affirmative>, that's not a lot of time. And so if you, if you spend your time fooling around or wasting it, then how are you gonna see that by the time you're 40, you're 50, you're 60. Like you want to make, I, I just really wanna make sure I'm I'm using my time wisely. So I feel proud of, of the time I used and that's really all it is.
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Speaker 1 00:22:29 So it sounds like you're planning to dominate masters hammer throwing at age at age 80. Is that the, is that the long game here?
Speaker 2 00:22:37 <laugh> heck yeah. Uh, I don't know about that one.
Speaker 1 00:22:40 <laugh> okay. If I was a coach listening to this and I would say, I like a lot of what I'm hearing, how can I get my hurdler or my pole vault to approach their event in the same serious manner that that Michael does? What would your advice to a coach be?
Speaker 2 00:22:59 That one? The Stone's really difficult cuz I, I watch the coaches at WSU and I, I, I see their motivation for their athletes to get better and you see them try really hard and coaches, coaches all over the country, they, they try really hard and they, they make schedules for their athletes and they tell their athletes to do this or they, um, tell their athletes when to train. And I think it's, it's a little mix of both like, yeah, you, you want to give your athletes as much resources as possible, but it's the athlete's responsibility to take advantage of those resources. So I like to think that it's not the coach that makes the program, it's the athlete that makes the program. And if the athletes aren't invested, then you're missing a huge piece to, um, success. So it's it's as much as the athlete's responsibility as the coach's responsibility to, you know, build success.
Speaker 2 00:24:00 Like if, if I was a coach, the only thing you can really do is just make sure you give your athletes the most amount of resources you can give. And like, let 'em know that it's their job to like take advantage of it and, and be the best athlete that they can. But sometimes it's, it's just hard to find an athlete that's willing to set sacrifice all this stuff just to, just to be this great athlete because not a lot of people want to do that. So like I see a lot of athletes out there doing exactly, oh, well not athletes coaches doing what exactly they need to do. Just making sure their athletes are well informed and well provided.
Speaker 1 00:24:46 So you have three meets last week, you went to Oregon, you went to Arkansas, you competed in the KT Woodman here. What did you learn about that kind of testing week? Uh, you know, there's fatigue, there's great competition. There's travel. What did you learn that might help you down the road
Speaker 2 00:25:02 A lot? Um, this week's kind of been a, an experiment. So on Monday this week I did a little like testing with my technique and I tried all these cues and my form is not good at all, but it's all about, it's about all, about the feeling of each throw and seeing what these cues give me and see, maybe I'm focusing too much or maybe I'm focusing too little on a certain aspect. And I reviewed that film on Monday and on Tuesday I messaged a bunch of guys on Instagram. Like the guys, the professional guys would throw far and some of 'em told me to give 'em a call. So I got their numbers and we FaceTimed and talked about just talk shop basically. And I changed things up on Tuesday and <affirmative>, and like this, this is just this Tuesday and you know, I'm, I'm trying other techniques and I'm, I'm trying different things that these guys are saying.
Speaker 2 00:25:58 And it started to click a little more. And um, yesterday on Wednesday, um, I had a really great practice. I actually had, uh, practice PRS all over the place. Like I was throwing out at the 68 meter line, really easy throws, nice practices, which to me that, that converts to like 72 meters, 73 meters in competition, cuz I never go as hard in practice than competition. But um, kind of learning from Oregon and learning from Arkansas is that's these are just season openers in my mind. Um, I I'm, I'm moving really fast in that competition, but it's not I'm, I'm not at my peak yet. And I understand that. So I wanna maximize my peak as much as possible. Um, just looking back on those throws and the competition, like it's great competition, Oregon was a great competition because we had a bunch of, I think it was like five or six 70 plus hammer throwers.
Speaker 2 00:27:02 And it was, it was just nice to throw against that because it, it makes you feel, it makes you feel like, you know, you're not always winning meets. I'm not always trying to win meats. I, I wanna make people well. I want to see if people will come, that will give the good competition. That's why I went to Arkansas cuz I knew a lot of guys were gonna throw above 65 meters or, or even 70 meters or have thrown that before. So these last couple weeks have been, you know, class to me it's classes in session and you know, the test isn't until conference nationals USA.
Speaker 1 00:27:40 So the championship meets starting with the American athletic conference. We're about a month away. What's the plan over the next month to, to peak at the right time.
Speaker 2 00:27:49 So I've talked to DOF about this and we're not actually gonna try to peak at conference. Um, I'm planning on just training right through it and then going to west preliminaries and NCA is because looking at conference now, um, <affirmative> I could go out there and, you know, go out and have a practice throw and win the meet. So I'm, I'm not too worried about conference. Um, I'm more worried about the national needs. So we're gonna try to peak at nationals cuz freedoms is that Arkansas. That's also why I went to Arkansas cuz I wanted that experience in that ring and the, the, I feel very comfortable in the ring. So I feel very comfortable qualifying for nationals at Arkansas cuz I mean it's top 12 and I believe I have a really good chance of getting like top three at prelims, but nationals is really not to where I want to hit my peak because I believe I have a chance to win it.
Speaker 2 00:28:46 Um, I, I believe I have a big chance to win it, especially how last year nationals went. Um, a lot of these guys got their PRS early on and um, they're, they're kind of missing their peak and I've noticed I kind of hit my peak right when I want to because like I, I really think it through. So if I plan my peak at nationals, the idea is to peak at nationals and kind of be one of the few guys that actually do peak. And you know, some guys are gonna are gonna joke at nationals and they might not throw as far. And my, my idea is just hit it at nationals. And then in two weeks go to USAs and just have fun.
Speaker 1 00:29:25 So if you're at 0.3, three meters now after Fayetteville, where do you want to be to give yourself a chance to, to win at the NCAA meet?
Speaker 2 00:29:34 Well, my goal is to get somewhere around 72 and a half meters to 74 meters. That's that's the all around goal. Um, a nice little conversion from weight throw to hammer throw. So indoor to outdoor is usually what you throw in feet for the weight throw is what you should throw in meters for the hammer. So I threw, I started off the season, throw in 69 feet in the weight and I finish off throwing 74 and a half feet in the weight. And so kind of converting it usually I'm a much better hammer thrower than I am a weight thrower. So I always throw further in outdoor, uh, for that conversion than I do in indoor. So I've set my goal to be kind of 73, 74 meters for the hammer just cuz I, I ended up throwing 74 meters, uh, 74 feet in the weight. That's the, that's the big goal,
Speaker 1 00:30:30 Michael, what's your major. And have you started thinking about career plans?
Speaker 2 00:30:34 Yeah. Um, my I'm working on my master's for exercise science right now. I got my bachelor's in exercise science as well. Um, that, that kind of gives me a wide range of professions to go into. Um, I could go into strength and conditioning, uh, coaching. I could, you know, work for one of those big companies to help design let's say like shoes I could get into prosthetics if I like take extra class is, um, I could be an exercise scientist by itself. I, I could just get into all a lot of these fields. I could be personal trainer. That's why I chose exercise science because I have more freedom than let's say if I became, you know, if I went for nursing, some, some very specialized
Speaker 1 00:31:22 Right, a lot of heavy hammer stuff. Let's wrap it up with some music. You're a fan of blues fans of fan of R and B music. Sam cook is one of your favorites. Tell us about Sam cook and, and why his music grabs you.
Speaker 2 00:31:34 Well, I, I like his voice. It's, it's a really relaxing voice to listen to. Um, just that type of music in general. It's something I'll, I'll go out and I'll put my headphones in while I'm throwing and it'll actually relax my whole body and I'll get into this groove and I'll just feel really nice while I'm throwing. And even when I'm relaxing, it helps me relax. Or even when I'm working, I'll throw in a headphones and I'll just get into this zone or this state of flow, um, that I wont be able to get by listening to let's say like heavy metal <laugh> or like rap or something. Um,
Speaker 1 00:32:10 Yeah, when I asked John HEOR about this, I said I would stereotypically think. And I think sometimes when you walk by the throwing area, there is more aggressive, heavy metal music, kind of like a closer in baseball. They come out of the pen and they want to have, you know, the, the, the heavy metal music going. But you kind of go the other way. Is there a stereotypical music that throwers listen to?
Speaker 2 00:32:32 Oh yeah. Like alternative, um, Brock that kind of the whole, like my chemical romance type of vibe that's going on with rowers. It's the punk rock. That's pretty stereo stereotypical. I've I've heard it. So I've heard her play so much in, in the weight room or even when, when the other guys bring out their speakers, they, they play that kind of music. And when I'm, when I'm on myself and I'm not filming, I'll bring my speaker or my headphones. And I'll just, I'll either throw on some alternative like Indy music or I'll listen to like, like the blues music and I don't care who's listening, but I just, I like that music
Speaker 1 00:33:13 Give us two Sam cook songs that somebody should listen to. If they're not familiar with his music,
Speaker 2 00:33:17 Not familiar with see, oh, I'll have to look
Speaker 1 00:33:23 This one while you're thinking Sam cook was kind of a sixties figure, interesting death in a hotel. Uh, he, he ran an interesting company too. He was, I think he's well known for ping around with, uh, Jim brown Muhammad Ali, uh, was really kind of an important figure during that, during that time in our nation's history.
Speaker 2 00:33:44 Yeah, that's crazy. Um, two, I guess two songs. It's difficult cuz there's so many songs by Sam cook that I really like. I'd say one of my favorites is, is ease my trouble in mind by Sam cook. That's a good one. That's that's a very soothing one. That's one that kind of takes me out of my, my own head or my own puts me in a zone. Oh man. Another one I would say is bringing on home to me by Sam cook. That's also a good one that kind of goes online with the other one.
Speaker 1 00:34:22 That would be one that he's probably pretty well known for. Uh, interesting guy. All right, Michael. Thank you very much. We appreciate your
Speaker 2 00:34:28 Time. Thank you so much.
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