Speaker 1 00:00:12 Hello, this is Paul Solon, Trop of Wichita state university, strategic communications. Thank you for listening to the roundhouse podcast today, we have PJ cous Nard, a former shocker basketball player. He's going to talk to us about a docu series that about his life, his life in basketball, what he's doing now in, uh, in his hometown of Houston, PJ played for the shockers from 2004 to 2008, uh, highlighted by 2005. And it run 2006 NCAA tournament, suite 16, PJ average, 10.3 points and 5.4 rebounds for his career. He was on the all Missouri valley conference, defensive team three times, twice. He was honorable mention all Missouri valley conference. PJ is the founder of cous elite sports, which is a basketball, football, athletic training program in Houston for grade school and high school boys. He is also the head coach at legacy, the school of sport sciences, which is a charter school in Houston.
Speaker 1 00:01:13 So he is the subject of a cous story, C O O Z. We'll talk about how that name came about. It's a three-part docu-series by filmmaker, Michael Snead. The second he describes the docu series as being about Houston and the third ward legend, PJ cous Nard, and his basketball team, cous elite, how it all began, the struggles, the lives that his program has saved. The series part one is up on YouTube parts. Two and three will come out in early may and early June. So BJ let's start by give us your description of, of koozie lead the basketball program. The off the court program. Tell us about the program,
Speaker 2 00:01:53 Man. So it was just, uh, uh, basically an outreach for kids in our neighborhood for kids, um, that I didn't seen birth and, you know, kind of grow up in the neighborhood and grew up facing a whole bunch of, you know, adversity that most people don't even understand. I don't even know exist, you know? And, um, it's just basically we try to get these kids and love on them. And, uh, the concept came from just me growing up with a group of about 12, 13 consistent friends. And, you know, I was the only one to go to play college basketball out of them. I probably was the only one to initially go to college and me having to worry about them while I was off in college every night, making sure nothing happened to him, you know, and that type of stuff. And I lost a lot of them lost my closest friends.
Speaker 2 00:02:40 So the concept of, Hey, let me get a group of kids, you know, as many as I can and make them friends and put them in the basketball world. And cause I noticed when I go to sleep at night, I'm not my basketball friends. I'm not too worried about them because they, you know, probably getting up to go work out or do something they don't, they don't have to make ends meet per se. You know? So I got a group of kids. It started with a group of kids and it blossomed into a, basically a neighborhood, a whole city of kids and to get them all under the same roof. So they, they don't have to worry about their friends doing the wrong thing, their friend, riding the gym with you, you know, your friend working out with you, your friends doing this and doing that. So you don't have to lose close friends or close to you.
Speaker 1 00:03:28 So this story starts with your mom and dad moving to Houston and your dad's work in the, in the ministry. And you growing up in that environment where he was helping a lot of different, a lot of different people, a lot of different kids. So how did their work, how did that upbringing inspire? What, what you do now?
Speaker 2 00:03:46 Oh, it was the blueprint. So I watched my mom and dad closely. Like when you watch the documentary, I was a part of what they was doing at a young age. You know, I was going to deliver gifts and, and turkeys and stuff to families at 19 years old. And so I watched my mom and dad do it and I watched them do it with nothing. So it made me, you know, take little, little sticky notes of what to do and how to do it and how to make it better. And then me growing up the way I did helped me, uh, gain avenues and, and, and be able to reach out to certain people that my mom and dad couldn't get to because they didn't, you know, they raised me, you know, so like it was just watching them, is everything watching my mom is, is she deserves a ton of credit for taking in so many kids. My dad father, and sold me at father in the whole neighborhood. And, and to be honest, the Docker series is really about the people around me because people kind of know me already. They know what I done done. Like if, if you see in the first part, it was not so more, we kind of skimmed through my stuff, you know, just so people could see, know the people around me and know how everything is tick and how everything came about.
Speaker 1 00:05:08 If I, if asked to, uh, to kind of describe PJ cous Nard in one paragraph, I tell people about the story, uh, when you were playing at Wichita state and the students would camp out to be the first to get into the, uh, you know, get in the arena, get the good seats down there, along the baseline. And one of the students had his, uh, his basketball shoes stolen. I think they're outside his tent and somebody took them and you gave him a pair of your, of your shocker basketball shoes. And that was just kind of the way you were, you know, just the way you are. So connect that to what your dad's ministry did, what your mom and dad did and, and kind of that attitude of, of helping other people,
Speaker 2 00:05:48 Man, it, it made me understand situations, you know, like I'm telling you, I seen so many situations where it, people would think it don't happen in America, you know, um, and try not to give away too much cause it's on the Docker series. But you know, I didn't, then I didn't see any situations where, you know, parents couldn't afford this and, and kids are living really living on their own. Um, I had a situation with a kid. We was telling him that he had to get his permission slip signed by his mom or his dad and he wouldn't get it done. And it was like three weeks. So I said, you know what, I'm going to take you to your mom and dad house. And we going to get this permission, slip signed, this paperwork signed for you. So I pulled up to his apartment.
Speaker 2 00:06:37 He don't want, he don't want me to come in. I go in and find out he'd been living by herself for like six months, six to seven months. So dumb type of situations, you know, growing up in them type of situations and seeing that type of stuff, man, it, it gave me a, you know, a heart to help, you know, and a heart to give. And so like, I remember it, uh, I don't remember the guy's name, but he hit me on, on Facebook a couple of years ago and was like, Hey man, remember you gave me the shoes. I was like, yeah, man. He's like, man, thank you. Thank you. I was like, man, it's all good. You know, it's just, you know, like you say, P a typical day with me, a lot of people, you know, they, they, people would feel that I was in his status and they don't know how that person is, but I was so down to earth. And so, uh, you know, welcoming to anybody, you know, cause I didn't seen so many situations and you never know who need love at any time. You know, it's, it's a hard, it's a hard cold world out here. So people need love.
Speaker 1 00:07:32 Let's give people the background on the third ward. Describe that part of Houston.
Speaker 2 00:07:37 So third ward is like probably the roughest part of Houston, um, between third ward and fifth ward. Um, it's a south side, north side type thing. It's just a place that when we first moved there was struggling by a poverty, uh, domestic violence. I mean my first weekend to third ward, I seen so many domestic violence events just in the neighborhood alone. Um, single parent homes, uh, I mean, it's, it's what you would think or what you would see on TV as, you know, a movie trying to portray a ghetto, you know, like movies portray it. But like I was really from the ghetto and that's where I live basically from third grade all the way till I came to Wichita state. So I seen it, you know, firsthand, everything like introduced to drugs, you know, money, cars, girls, all that type of stuff, everything that you portray on a, on a movie scene as a quote unquote, ghetto, I actually lived it.
Speaker 1 00:08:42 So you come to Wichita state play basketball there played professionally. What motivated you to go back to Houston and, and start these programs?
Speaker 2 00:08:52 Um, my dad and my mom and, and seeing how, how they was done, uh, and all they was trying to do is save a community and seeing how they would, they would down by the hierarchy, uh, of, of, you know, the people that kinda made some decisions and that's on the docket series too, but just to seeing how they were done and knowing that a lot of reasons that the things happen to them because you know, my mom and dad, my dad went and played pro baseball. So he didn't finish college, you know, and my mom came down to Houston with my dad. And so they, they didn't have the educational background that I had. And so I knew if I go back and do it, it's certain things that they played on my mom and dad about. They can't do to me, you know, and then I'm coming with other friends that's educated, that's in my corner. And I think that was probably the biggest thing I learned from my mom and dad and, you know, and that was probably one of my biggest motivators to do it for them, but do it at a bigger level, a bigger scale.
Speaker 1 00:09:51 There are Wichita state routes to the name cous elite, but you talk about on the, docu-series give us, give us that story.
Speaker 2 00:09:59 Um, so, uh, you know, I think, I can't remember the first game I played, but it was an exhibition game. I w I don't know if it was Emporio or something. I don't remember athletes first, I think. And, um, it initially started the year I red shirted, you know, just working out and people seeing me and, and everybody like cous, cous, cous, Nordea is hard to pronounce if you're just seeing it for the first time. So definitely I, uh, you know, by the time I played my first game, it had a little buzz on it on a name. And so I made my first basket and I heard everybody go cool, but I couldn't really gather what they were saying. It did sound like boom, but they was excited. So I knew they wasn't bullying me. So, you know, I was like, me and Sean <inaudible>, uh, was talking and Sean was like, man, PJ with, uh, what they seen. I said, hell no, I got to do something else.
Speaker 2 00:10:59 So I scored again and we were, I think I got up and one or something and we walk into the free throw line and song was like, bro, they saying your name. And I was like, oh, that is what they saying. You know? And then I put it together. I was like, oh yeah, that is, it was nice. And it stuck with me the whole four years, even to this day, when I go back, people would see me in a store or something and they, and they don't say Peter, that ain't got Koons Koons every time, you know, it's neat, man. I love it. And, and the fans love it. So it was a match made in heaven right there.
Speaker 1 00:11:32 So you had a academically challenging path to Wichita state. You got here, you worked hard, you got your diploma, big deal. Uh, how does that part your academic journey? How does that help, what you do now inform, inspire what you're doing now,
Speaker 2 00:11:48 Man, it's everything. Um, and, and most of the kids that I work with right now, we got currently like 30, I think it's 34, 35 kids and playing division one, um, either basketball or football. Uh, I think we got like 23 division, one basketball players or something like that. It's some crazy numbers, but it's all for the education. You know, I do it for the education. I do it for the education and for the families to enjoy the experience of their kids, you know, playing on TV, playing college ball. I know my mom and dad had a blast, you know, and my friends had a blast seeing me on TV, seeing me on ESPN and seeing all that. So that's why I do it. And I think, you know, the educational part of me struggling, educationally, um, to get to where I was at, even like Gretchen, Gretchen did an amazing job helping me, uh, not only get into college, but enduring college and, and being prepared to, you know, get my degree Gretchen and Val and Corey, I owed them guys a lot.
Speaker 2 00:12:47 Um, so it coach rowing coach Ronald was a big factor in me getting to school with my, you know, learning deficiencies and stuff like that. So it was just, you know, being able to say I'm educated now and have my degree and stuff like that is his big, big, but for the most part it's for the kids. So they can experience the same thing. And when, cause nobody give these kids a chance, you know, and like a lot of them it'll be their first, they'll be the first ones graduating and they family, they already, the first one has to go off to college and they family, they, the first ones to be doing something, you know, positive, you know, in, in most of their cases. So I just think, you know, just to keep inspiring them and understand that, Hey, I struggle, you know, so if I throw good an idea, what I could do, then you guys could do the same thing.
Speaker 1 00:13:33 So the people you mentioned a micron was assistant coach, uh, when you played and then Gretchen tore line, Val Wadsworth in academic advising, Corey Torgerson and academics and compliance. What got you on the right path academically? What, what sparked or what worked for you?
Speaker 2 00:13:52 Um, actually, you know, understanding what it meant to my family probably was the biggest thing, you know, um, and understanding just, I always understood the ball and stop bouncing. You know, I always understood that and just knowing I had to be prepared and be ready for that. And it was priority, you know? Cause I, I figured, you know, I didn't, I didn't think I could go to college and played division one, let alone, had the expectations of playing in the NBA and doing all the things that are playing overseas and doing all the things I actually accomplished. So I was already prepared for what I wanted to do after basketball. And so that played a big factor in me. Hey, just straighten up into Grinch and put in a lot of times I have to say grant to put in a lot of time with me. So, uh, it was definitely, you know, definitely I would say the, the afterlife motivated me, the
Speaker 1 00:14:52 I'm glad you brought up the first generation aspect of that because that's something they talk a lot about here at Wichita state. That's a big deal. We, you know, we try to do a lot for first-generation students and it's interesting. Cause I think there are a lot of kids who obviously don't grow up expecting to go to college or comfortable on a college campus. They don't have the family. It's just a kind of a foreign experience to them though, the whole thing. And so Wichita state puts in a lot of resources to try to get them in and make them comfortable and successful here. What are some of the challenges that those kinds of people that you know are, are have they have no one in their family to lean on about the experience of filling out a fast-forward, you know, applying for financial aid, all those kinds of things. What are the challenges, those kinds of families face,
Speaker 2 00:15:39 Man, that that's, that's tough because people don't understand that, you know, you might tell a kid, go to the internet and go figure that out and go sign it out. And people are just not understanding that that kid may not know. So with our kids that come up and leave, we always, I have a, basically a group of people that walk these kids through these things, and it's hard to do something for somebody that don't have if you don't have relationships, you know? So like I understand, you know, the school trying to put in place for this and put it. But if you don't have somebody out there actively in relate like relationships with these guys and these girls coming in to understand, Hey, we're here for you. You know, if you need something, this is what you do. This is step one. This is step two. You have to literally walk people through it. Like if Gretchen didn't walk me through everything, I wouldn't have got it. You know, it's just that it's point blank and period, because people are not understanding that you don't know, like it's certain words in the question that you might not understand. You know, you know, you don't know how to click which one you're supposed to be on or which you don't know. And the hardest thing, and those guys cases is the understanding. People just don't understand that you might not know.
Speaker 1 00:16:57 I told Gretchen this was not going to turn into a Gretchen tour line, tribute podcasts, but I'll give you, I'll give you 60 seconds to talk about Gretchen. And what made her such a big part of your success,
Speaker 2 00:17:09 Man, her and, um, my counselor from high school, Michelle and they, I owed them the world and you know, uh, they put up with me, um, from day one. I'm not, I'm not easy to, to put up with because it get crazy sometimes. But I mean, Gretchen would call me in the office every morning, uh, making sure we was in class. I mean, she did everything, you know, uh, and I owe a lot that you can't repay her back. You know, she literally changed my life in a lot of my understanding in a lot of ways that I, um, discipline the kids, come through Gretchen, you know how she disciplined me. She didn't yell and fuss at me all the time. Even though I probably messed up all the time, she didn't do that. She, so there's different avenues of, of how to affect me without just plussing.
Speaker 2 00:18:01 It cussing me out. Nah, we was days that she was posting it cussing me out for sure. But for the most part, you know, she showed me, okay, well this is how you do it. And she understood why, you know, they telling me to go do this in class. And she got to understand, I didn't with people learning in a first class is algebra and English. I didn't learn that at a high school. Like my high school didn't prepare me for this. So I was going into these classes, hearing words that I never heard before in my life, you know, and people are expecting you to have the grades and be on time and everybody, they want you to answer questions. They want you to athletes to sit in the front. Now that's not for everybody. You know? And I was literally just coming to office every day out in Val, Val, I was just coming to him every day. Like, Hey, I don't know what this teacher talk about. You know? And they took the time to spend with me and they, they did an unbelievable job, just, you know, loving on me and walking me through the whole process.
Speaker 1 00:18:57 So there would be people in those situations who would throw up their hands and say, I'm frustrated. I don't get it. I don't fit here and walk away. What kept you going?
Speaker 2 00:19:08 Um, knowing that I had a lot of people counting on me back home. Um, that was probably the biggest thing. Like, like my friends, I have friends and family that literally protected me from street stuff. Just cause they was like, PJ, you going off to go do this. You know, they, they wouldn't put, put me into certain situations because they like, Hey PJ, you going off to do this. So I know if I didn't fulfill my duties of, of going to college playing four years, playing, playing hard. Every time I touched the floor, I was letting them down, you know? And a lot of people do. A lot of people do a lot of stuff for fame, for money, for all types of things. My purpose was for my people back home, you know, I just wanted to make them proud, you know, wanted to make them love me. You know, not that they didn't love it, but to make them love me even more like we really doing this and if I'm doing it, I wanted them to feel like they was doing it. So that was the motivation for me to keep going and not just quit. And then I, the way I was raised, we knew it. I, I done been through so much stuff that, you know, a classroom wasn't gonna take me out. I did through way harder things than a classroom and, and, and words that I don't understand.
Speaker 1 00:20:26 Yeah. So if you watch the documentary or the first part, uh, one of the sayings that has brought up is you don't run from responsibility. You run to it. So I guess that's what you're saying. There you were here at Wichita state, you were responsible for getting through it and that's what you did.
Speaker 2 00:20:39 Yes, sir. That's exactly what I did. And, and con my dad constantly reminded me that even when I was in college, he would call me what you're doing. Uh, you didn't do this. Hey, don't run from it, run to it. You know, that's even waiting room with carry all that type of stuff. You know, I had, it was a big going to college. It was a culture shock for me, you know, and I had good parents and I had a good firm foundation at home. I had supportive parents and peers that I deal with. They don't have that. So imagine just the struggle that, that they're going to experience, you know, if they don't have somebody to fall back on. So that's kind of why we created this whole, you know, elite thing and, and just trying to help the kids prosper
Speaker 1 00:21:21 Correction would tell you that PJ coups, NAR, and really enjoyed the community service projects. They're always having the athletes here, do those kinds of things to get out and mix with kids and people in the community. Uh, and you definitely had a real strong connection with the fans, uh, in, in Coca Rena. Really enjoyed that aspect of it. Why, why did you have such a strong connection with those people?
Speaker 2 00:21:42 Matt? So my favorite people growing up is Muhammad Ali and bumpy Johnson. And they were people they were for the people. So even at a young age, I would watch documentaries on, on my read on them. I look them up, see what they do, all that type of stuff. So just being a people person, you know, and then I wanted to change the culture when I got there. I didn't like the culture, you know, like I didn't like it. So I wanted to change the culture. And I was like, Hey, we gone, we gone be this way. You know, it's going to be this way. I'm going to be with the fans. I mean, coach got on me the first time. First time I got an <inaudible> and I was, you know, the team was in the huddle and I was in the, I was yelling with the fans. So when we was watching film, after the game coach got on me, he was like, what are you doing? <inaudible>? And I'm just like, man, whatever, man, we gotta do something to fans. They pack it out every night, you know, he deserted, you know, throw him a ball or two, you know, let them know we appreciate them, you know? So, uh, definitely, definitely being a people person is, is the, the engine behind that
Speaker 1 00:22:57 The fans definitely enjoyed it. So let's talk about the docu-series. How did this idea come up,
Speaker 2 00:23:03 Man? Uh, the filmmaker, Michael Sneed, uh, he was getting into film and he, he had, did a bunch of projects, a bunch of highlight tapes, a bunch of, um, music, videos. He did some, some family stuff for people and all that. So he's been my friend for 27 plus years. Like we even, uh, he played at Texas Southern. So I mess with him all the time about that. When we blow it out, test Texas, I talked trash to him all the time, but, uh, but so he was like shooting, uh, programming. Like he did our first coolest lead commercial or first coolest lead photos shoot and all that. And he was like, Hey man, let's shoot a documentary. And I'm like a documentary on who. And he was like, you, I say, wait, like what you talking about? And he was like, man, I want to try to learn how to do documentaries.
Speaker 2 00:23:56 I want to start shooting a documentary. I said, all right, cool. Next day he came to my house. We shot like the first part of it. And for the next three, four years, he just been getting footage here and there and footage here and there. And a lot of people don't know, like this has been a four year project. Like it's not something that just happened two months ago. You know, it's been in the works for four years. So he got a bunch of footage and a bunch of, you know, neat video that a lot of people would be happy and excited to see.
Speaker 1 00:24:26 So this would then force you to be on camera talking about your life. Has it, has it brought up any interesting memories, things that kind of faded out of your Bryant out of your brain and now you, you, you talked about it and brought it back.
Speaker 2 00:24:40 Yeah. I mean, it's, it's definitely a rollercoaster. So like part one was kind of the introduction of everything kind of laying down the groundwork. Um, part two is more so like introducing all the players that, you know, they came through the program and then a couple of good stories in there for part two. And then part three got really emotional, you know, just going down memory lane with like doing events in my time where stuff was happening in my life, you know, as it, my best friend passing and reliving that, you know, it, it hit home, you know, again, and, and it definitely just brought up a bunch of memories, a bunch of good times too, you know, where, um, I'm talking about my friends and they just, they remember, and they bringing me stories that I didn't remember. I'm like, oh my God, like I do. I remember it now. So it's, it's neat, man. It's going to get you everything that you want in a family. Laughter you know, all your emotions, your, your experience, all your emotions once, once the whole family has done, like once the whole, everybody got first, second and third part
Speaker 1 00:25:48 At any point, did you say, I don't care what highlights you put in there, but the step back jumper against Tennessee in 2006 has to be in.
Speaker 2 00:25:56 Yeah. And it's so funny. Cause like I, so my first time seeing the whole thing was the day part one dropped. So I didn't have a say so on the film, it was all his idea and all his, the way he put everything together. So I was nervous. I was like, if I don't like it, it don't matter because it's out there now. You know? So he did an unbelievable job when me and my family watched it for the first time. It was just like a big joy of how he captured the vision of it so vividly. And he deserves a ton of credit. You know, I hope I hope people like it good enough for where he could kind of benefit off of it and, and kinda take off his feeling thing. Cause he has a great eye, great, a great mind of what to put in family and what not to. Um, and he got, I mean he nailed it to the tee, so we've been getting unbelievable feedback, but definitely I would definitely want to highlight in that song with,
Speaker 1 00:27:01 I've been, I've enjoyed watching what I've watched and uh, if I were you, I would have said yes, you can do anything. I would've surrendered total creative control, except for there need to be lots of Tennessee highlights in there. Let's wrap it up with some basketball from your days as a shocker, um, favorite memory, what pops into your brain when you think about your time playing for Wichita state?
Speaker 2 00:27:22 Um, definitely, you know, with the documentary coming out, definitely. Uh, the sweet 16 Ray, um, just how much fun we had in the tournament. As far as like after we won the Seton hall game, the bus ride, once we got off the out the game, the plane ride to stopping that, I don't remember it was Ben and Jerry's or Baskin Robbins or something. We stopped somewhere, ate ice cream and all type of stuff. Um, and just getting back to the airport and seeing all the fans and stuff at the airport, like that was probably the, the most vivid memory that I have, you know, from, from N coach said, uh, you'll be reminded about this time for everyday, for the rest of your life. And literally every day somebody brings that, that up in some form shape or fashion, it is brought up every day.
Speaker 1 00:28:13 Coach mark Turgeon was the coach at Wichita state when PJ played here, that's who you'd be, uh, uh, talking about, you know, another moment that always sticks out to me, uh, was after beating Tennessee the way he gathered everybody on the team for the, I assume it was on CBS for the, for the post game interview. I thought that was a, that was a really nice touch. Uh, and the other highlight that I wrote down, I would guess it has to stick out in your brain and it's on the it's in, it's featured in the, uh, in the doctors shown in the doctor series, the block on Patrick O'Bryant here early in, early in the valleys season that 2005, 2006, that was a big game against Bradley. And that block kind of wrapped it up from shoppers.
Speaker 2 00:28:54 Yeah, definitely. Uh, a lot of people ask me all the time. Did you block it twice? Yes. I blocked it twice. I blocked it the first time he caught it again and I tipped it, tipped it just enough, you know, uh, to, to get it the second time. But, um, my favorite block is the one on eight funk. And the one that when I threw the ball to the fans was probably my favorite home memory. Uh, I would start state.
Speaker 1 00:29:23 Yes, that would have been a good one too. Nate funk, chorus played for Creighton and that was a huge rivalry. And in those days, definitely. Uh, who's the best player you guarded while playing for Wichita state? Who sticks out in your mind? Maybe it's Nate phone?
Speaker 2 00:29:37 Uh, nah, it was Nick young in Vegas, even, even though I was sick, he still made some highly contested shots that I was like, oh my God, he was shooting it from behind his head. So I would say swagging, Pete was probably the toughest cover that I had, you know, um, Lofton was, it was, I had fun go out and lost it into the NCAA tournament. I think that was probably my best defensive performance. Um, And who else? Oh, uh, Marcus Thorton was really good to LSU
Speaker 1 00:30:13 For Nick young played for Southern cap. I'd forgotten that he was in that game.
Speaker 2 00:30:18 Yeah, he was in that game. Yup.
Speaker 1 00:30:20 Well, that's a good, that's a good list. Good list. It was Chris Lofton, right? Or CJ
Speaker 2 00:30:25 Chris loft. I think it was Chris left
Speaker 1 00:30:27 For Tennessee.
Speaker 2 00:30:28 Yeah,
Speaker 1 00:30:29 That's some, that's some good talent. All right. Well PJ, we thank you very much for your time. Uh, once again, a cous story, three part docu-series. I will link to the, uh, to the first part in the, uh, in the show notes. The other two parts will be out later this spring. Uh, PJ, thanks so much for giving us a few minutes here. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 00:30:49 Thank you P.
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