Speaker 1 00:00:11 Hello, welcome to the Roundhouse Podcast with Paul Soro of Wichita State University Strategic Communications. Thank you for listening. Today we have Butch Pierre. Butch is an assistant coach for the men's basketball staff. He joined Wichita State in April after working at the University of Texas, El Paso Butch's career also includes working a place such as Memphis, Oklahoma State, lsu, and North Carolina State. He was an assistant on the LSU staff that went to the Final Four in 2006. He has pictures on his wall to tell you about some of the guys he has recruited over the years. Some names you will recognize, Marcus Smart, Tyra Thomas Strel. Am I pronouncing that right? Stro Miles, Stro Mile, Swift, Glen, Big Baby Davis and Brandon Bass. And there's more Butch played at Mississippi State from 1980 to 84. He has a book you can purchase if you wanna go to amazon.com. Called Growing Up Great Life Lessons and Coaching. Butch, tell us about what brought you here to Wichita State.
Speaker 2 00:01:12 Well, I guess it's, uh, you know, Isaac Brown. He's the one that, you know, because of my relationship with him over the last 30 years, you know, he is the biggest reason why I came. And, uh, I'm at a point in my career right now that, uh, you know, I wanna be around good people, uh, you know, a great staff, and then being a program that have a chance of doing something special. Um, you know, I've been, throughout my career, I've had an opportunity to, to, like you say, go to the Final Four and, and win the conference championships in different leads. And, uh, once you get to a Final Four and you win championships, it's like you always want to go back. So, um, you know, obviously that was the biggest reason for, for me coming here in, in, in the right fit and the right fit. And I heard, heard so many things about it over the years from, from, from Isaac and also Greg Marshall and, uh, um, and then followed the program. And I just think that they have all the fundamentals, fundamentals and elements to be successful here.
Speaker 1 00:02:11 Yeah. You would've been familiar with Wichita State. Wichita State and LSU played a couple times when you were on the staff there, you were in Memphis. So from being in college basketball over the last 20 or 25 years, what were your impressions of Wichita State? What were, what did you heard? What did you see about the program?
Speaker 2 00:02:28 Well, you know, it, it, it is just, you know, no matter who's the head coach, you know, you have, you have a, a winning tradition here. And, uh, it started way back, you know, in the seventies and, uh, you know, getting people from all over the country to, to come and play here and, you know, doing changing times. It, it just seems as though the area of Wichita have, have embraced, you know, people, um, from all different areas and, and, uh, they've had a lot of success. Um, you know, obviously, you know, going to a Final Four and, you know, with Cheese and, and the X Man and, and all the great players that have played here, you know, winning has been a winning tradition here for, for a long time. And, uh, so those things are, you know, important in winning.
Speaker 1 00:03:11 So you would've had two up close looks at, at Wichita State Basketball when you were on the LSU staff in, uh, early in the oh 6, 0 7 season, Mark Turgeon was a shocker. Coach Shockers went down to Louisiana State, uh, 1 57, 53. And then the next year, Greg Marshall's, first year LSU came up here as shocker Victory 67 47. How did those meetings with the Shockers kinda introduce you to Shocker basketball?
Speaker 2 00:03:37 Well, you know, I heard a lot about it, you know, I guess over the years because of my relationship with the Wichita staff, you know, before I even got here 10 years, you know, and, uh, you know, our Final Four team, you know, we started out 86 and uh, you know, we had lot a lottery number two player picking a draft on that team and all that. And number four and Glen Davis, and I think it was a turning point on our team, you know, Tur brought a team down there and, uh, we played him on our home court and he came in there and he beat us. You know, the game was, uh, played the way it was supposed to be played, I think it was a low scoring game. And he beat us. That's the Final four team. I think a team should have won a national championship and he beat us.
Speaker 2 00:04:24 And uh, you know, I was like, Ooh, where's what? Utah state now. Some serious stuff. We gotta go back to that following year. And uh, so we went back to following year and uh, we had four guys on that team that's that played in the nba <laugh>, and one of 'em still playing. And, uh, we rolled in here and, uh, we walked out here and I said, Man, what are we doing here? You know, it was 10 or 12,000, the case was packed and uh, they just ran us out of the gym. And, uh, but it was unbelievable atmosphere. Uh, probably one of the best of my top four or five atmospheres that I ever been in. And, uh, and I've been just about all of 'em, including Duke. And it was unbelievable. And so that's, that I can remember that I was, so, I'm excited to see that, uh, that magnitude of, of, of that, that was one of my attractions from, for coming cuz all the tradition and everything. And so I think we got all of everything, like I say with the president having like I show you about, you know, the LA director and, uh, I think, uh, she, everything's put in place to be successful, all continue the success that they've always had.
Speaker 1 00:05:31 And you mentioned new athletic director, Kevin Saul, he's been very busy out meeting people. What's been your impression of of, of being around Kevin?
Speaker 2 00:05:40 Very good. I mean, you know, uh, you know, he's young and very innovative. Um, and, you know, hands on, uh, you know, in terms of trying to make everything better from the relationship piece and you know, the head coach systems and administration and also, you know, the facilities and, and, uh, you know, the facelift of all that. And then all the ideas that, uh, a guy like, he, like, he, like he has. Um, I think that's the, the growing trends of athletics and college basketball now, and football and athletic programs, uh, you know, I've started, I've seen it done a lot of ways because obviously, you know, I, you know, I coached at LSU in Oklahoma State and uh, um, you know, I think got the right guy, you know, <laugh> and I, you know, I say that candidly cuz I know, you know, you gotta win, you know, And, uh, so I've been under that situation of duress. But I would say the same thing if I wasn't here and, uh, you know, for what I see. So he's very innovative and, uh, and I think, uh, that's, that's, that's sometimes that's, that's what program needs.
Speaker 1 00:06:43 So I remember two things about going to LSU to cover that game in oh six. One was Mike the tiger and his, uh, cage outside the, his habitat outside the basketball arena. That was impressive. And I remember how well Ryan Martin played against Glen Big baby Davis. So my question is, do they ever let you feed Mike the tiger? Do you ever get to have any interactions as a member of the LSU staff to get a, throw a piece of meat into the Tiger Cage?
Speaker 2 00:07:08 No, no. I, I tell you, But he lives good. He, he got a $2 million habitat <laugh> and he eats good too.
Speaker 1 00:07:16 <laugh>, I remember that 2 million figure exactly when they told me that. I thought there's a, there's a sign how much money there is in, uh, Yeah. In college athletics. Yeah.
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Speaker 1 00:08:06 Why did you get into coaching?
Speaker 2 00:08:08 Well, the biggest thing, I guess I would say, you know, since I was 14 years old, you know, I really was a better football player <laugh> than I was basketball. I remember time, I told my dad I wasn't gonna play football. I thought he was gonna put me at the house, but <laugh>. But, uh, I probably could have played the nfl, but I, I chose basketball. That was my passion. And, uh, I gave up every other sport to do that. And once I gave up basketball, um, you know, I, I mean I gave up football, basketball was one of those things that just, just drove me. And, and I started getting heavily recruited and I was a heavily recruited guy coming outta Louisiana. And, and I think that helped me a lot in the recruiting aspect. Um, it also helped me to deal with players and understand what they are thinking and the recruiting process and all the things that they, that that they went through.
Speaker 2 00:08:57 And, and I, and I, I also, when I was a player at Mississippi State, I always host the players when they came in, I was always around the office, uh, had great relationships with the assistant coaches and the head coach, Coach Boyd, who, who I played for. Um, and, and then I could see that it was one of those things that I was really, really good at. You know, I was good at, you know, the philosophy of the head coach and the relationship piece because of my background, Louisiana and my parents. Um, I could really get people to really trust me and trust what I say. I could sell anything <laugh>. And, uh, it just, uh, I, I enjoy people, the people area and, and enjoy the, the, the development with the young guys and also staffs and see it grow and turn into something special. And, and I knew that's what I wanted to do when I was in college. And, uh, went straight to graduate school and got my master's and everything and, and jumped straight into coaching. And, uh, and, and it really, I do it for free, but, you know, my wife ain't gonna allow that <laugh>. No,
Speaker 1 00:10:00 That's not, Yeah, don't, don't say that too loud. What position did you play in football?
Speaker 2 00:10:04 I played KO back and wide receiver. Okay. KO back and wide receiver. And, you know, I had some special teams my eighth, ninth, and 10th grade. And uh, you know, like I said, you know, I, sometime I think about it, but, you know, it was one of those things that, uh, that I chose and, and then I, you know, I was pretty good at it.
Speaker 1 00:10:24 Coaching mentors. Who is your go-to guy? You have a question about your career strategy, advice, mentorship. Who do you, who do you list as, as kind of your role model?
Speaker 2 00:10:34 It's all different. You know, it's kind of a couple of old school guys, as I say, as, as young young people say. I call it legendary guys and, uh, Hall of Famer type coaches. And, uh, you know, I developed a relationship, I would say maybe a few, I would guess 35 years ago with Tubby Smith when he wasn't the Tubby Smith, uh, um, National Championship Hall of fam type guy. When he was just a guy out there recruiting. I kind of try to emulate who he was and his thought process because what people thought about him and, and his attitude and the way he go about his business is kind of different than most people. Cuz he's a people person and people trust him and, and, and everybody likes him. You know, I really know who he really is, <laugh>. So, but, uh, he will probably be my go to area when, uh, I talk about, you know, family values and then making a decision based upon, you know, family and things like that.
Speaker 2 00:11:34 And Little Hamilton from, from Florida State, he would probably be one of the guys that I learned from in terms of recruiting and, uh, and, and making decisions for as my career in basketball. Uh, he, he's one of the guys that I kind of look up to and I call from time to time with him and, and, uh, some guys that's out of the business now, like Wade Houston, you know, Wade Houston, you know, great coach, business guy. Uh, you know, I hadn't talked to Wade in a long time, and a guy by the name of Clint Bryant, he's a retired LA director at Augusta College. He was more of a, of a people person for me. Uh, and it kind of got me started in a career by putting my name out there when I was a young man. And also Dwayne Casey, you know, uh, Dwayne Casey, the NBA coach, who I kind of looked up to. Uh, he was a consistent coach at Kentucky and now he's an NBA head coach. Uh, he was a guy that, that everybody wanted to be like when they were young. And I had great relationships with those guys. I learned from those guys. I took a lot of nuggets from those, those guys. And they were, they were the best in the business at the time.
Speaker 1 00:12:44 So some shocker connections there. Shocker. Fans would be familiar with Tubby Smith, who really got, really had great success at Tulsa. And then, was it Memphis and Dwayne Casey then would've coached Fred Van Lee for a, uh, at least a season or two with the Toronto Raptors. Okay. I've got the all s sec teams from your era you played at Mississippi State from 80 to 84, 81 to 84. Here are some of the names on the, uh, all s sec teams from those years. Dominique Wilkins, Dale Ellis at Tennessee, Charles Barkley at Auburn, Chuck person at Auburn. Uh, a lot of talent in the c hit us with, uh, a story or two. What do you remember about your days playing against those, those teams?
Speaker 2 00:13:22 <laugh>. Oh man. I played with a guy by the name of Jeff Malone and, and, uh, you know, he was, I think the ninth player picking the draft played 12 to 15 years in the league. And, uh, at that time, you know, in the Southeast Conference, all those guys are, you know, Dominique and, and Barkley, you know, you're talking about Hall of Fame guys. Um, you know, I just remember and also playing against Clyde Drex, the University of Houston. They were, they weren't in our conference, but you know, we played a game against him every year, you know, and everybody knows Clyde, but, and also visit University of Houston and Cly took me out on the visit <laugh>. But, uh, um, what I remember most is Dominique Wilkins, um, you know, unbelievable athlete. Uh, some, some, some, a player that I never seen until I recruited Stro, my swell <laugh>, but never seen that, that was so quick and so athletic.
Speaker 2 00:14:15 And, uh, he always went to his right. He couldn't, he really couldn't go left. And, but you couldn't stop from going right, <laugh>. And, uh, I just remember one time I was at the free throw line and, and somebody shot the ball. And in those days, and, and not even now guys, you know, they would just fight for rebounds. In other words, they waited, waited for the ball to come outside the cylinder before they snatched it. And those guys were so great and so great athletically that, uh, it was just unbelievable just to sit there and watch and, and all of our sudden, I just seen this skinny black arm just rose up above everybody. I mean, maybe about five feet in the air. And I was like, Whoa. I was like, This guy's unbelievable. And then he just caught it. And when he, when he caught the ball, his back was turned to the basket and he jumped actually from his back, turned to the basket and turned around and just kind of tomahawked the ball and dunked it through the rim.
Speaker 2 00:15:06 I thought that was just, I was like, whoa. That was one of the great moments. And another time I was running back on defense and, and I was like, Man, I'm gonna be able to stop this or take a charge. And Charles Barker was running from the right side and they threw an alley who, who passed to him on the right side of the glass. And I actually backed up to say, Oh, okay, this ball going out, out of bound. So I was going, I was, I was almost walking out of bounds and he caught it from behind the glass and then bought it back round and dunked it. And uh, and, and, and he ran his mouth the whole entire time. But that was just some, some of the highlights. I got a bunch of stories <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:15:45 I can imagine. I can imagine. So are you saying, could you have been a part of the F Slam jamma group then at, at Houston? That was, that was your era, right?
Speaker 2 00:15:52 Yeah, it was my era. I'll never forget that. That's why I say about the recruiting process. Guy Lewis came down, watched me practice, offered me a scholarship on the spot, and, uh, when I, you know, in the spring it was different. I took all five of my visits first actually time I ever been on a airplane, if we were probably playing down there, picked me up on a private plane. You can't do that according to NCAA rules. And I was on a private plane by myself, you know, to Houston. And, and when I got there, had a guy by the name of Rob Williams, he's a point guard, he was a lottery pick. And also Clyde Drexel was on that team, and those guys were waiting for me at the airport. And, you know, I just thought that was unbelievable. That's the first time I act actually been on the airplane <laugh>.
Speaker 1 00:16:34 That would make quite an impression. Yeah. What a recruiting, what a recruiting visit. Jeff Malone, you mentioned your teammate had a long NBA career. I associate him with the Washington Bullets. He played for them for, yeah, for quite a while. Excellent. All right. Uh, different topic. You are quite the fisherman, I understand. Give us some of your secrets, uh, your love for bass fishing. <laugh>.
Speaker 2 00:16:56 Well, I, you know, growing up in Louisiana, you know, um, like the fish, like the hunt, I won't have any problems when I retire, someday if I retire, but because I have so much great hobbies, you know, that's, uh, that's great. Habits and fishing is one of them. Um, I, my, my college teammate Jeff, nor was a great fisherman, you know, he's actually a high school basketball coach in Golfport. He's really the one that really got me off into pass fishing. I was so salt water guy, you know, you know, catches red snapper and, and trigger fish, things like that. And guys don't really know what trigger fish is. That's the best eating fried fish you can eat.
Speaker 1 00:17:33 But, uh, so say that again. Trigger,
Speaker 2 00:17:35 Trigger fish. Yeah.
Speaker 1 00:17:36 Okay. Describe a trigger fish.
Speaker 2 00:17:37 It's a, uh, it's a, it is a, uh, a flaky fish is not too steaky and, uh, it is not too fishy. It's a great fish to, to, to grill and everything, but, uh, it's the closest thing to me to a freshwater bass, you know. But, uh, bass fishing is my thing and, and, uh, you know, I've, I've gotten some trophy bass and, and in different areas, even in Oklahoma State, when I worked there, I called, I'm in trophy bass out there in the ponds. And, and, uh, now, you know, I caught the biggest pod, probably the biggest bass in, in, uh, Isaac's Pond <laugh>. So Isaac's Lake rather. But that's one of the things I really like to do is, is just bass fish.
Speaker 1 00:18:16 Okay. And what's the biggest bass you've, you've gotten?
Speaker 2 00:18:19 Uh, the biggest bass is a 12 pounder. 12
Speaker 1 00:18:22 Pounder, alright,
Speaker 2 00:18:22 Right. Yeah. 12 pound. And my wife's not four behind. She got a nine pound to sticks shot. My house is bigger than mine, but I taught her how to bass fish. But, uh, at 12 Pot I got several, several bass fishes on
Speaker 1 00:18:33 My wall. Okay. Do you have, uh, favorite recipes? Way of ways of fixing the fish that you catch?
Speaker 2 00:18:40 Yeah, um, you know, Louisiana guy, obviously I can cook, so I cooked fish, you know, three or four different ways, you know, grill it and, you know, I like my fish fried, obviously, and, you know, baked and sauteed in certain season and things like that. But I'm more of a, a crawfish eater and a crab crab boy eater. Really, crawfish is my favorite food, you know, next to a steak.
Speaker 1 00:19:04 Okay. How about alligator?
Speaker 2 00:19:06 Yeah, I mean, I like fried alligator, you know, you gotta find a certain way, you know, but, uh, you know, I'm not too much of an alligator either, but, you know, I, uh, you know, <laugh>, you know, phish is my thing. Sure.
Speaker 1 00:19:20 Uh, we mentioned some of the, uh, some of the people you've recruited over the years. Give us a description of your style evaluating recruiting. What kind of makes that whole picture work?
Speaker 2 00:19:32 You know, recruiting has changed over the years. Um, obviously you cannot, uh, develop relationships because the number of days you can go out recruiting, um, it's not a, not a lot of contacts, you know, it used to be a limited contact when I first started, but you know, now you have certain times you can contact and evaluating certain times of the year. Um, but like, you know, I I, I was raised in the house with a politician, you know, my dad was a, you know, city councilman and, uh, uh, we always had people coming over all the time and it was always relationships and it was always, um, trying to get people to vote for you. And, and it was always a need for help in certain, certain areas. And I had a mother that was very kindhearted that would sell a shirt off to give a shirt off or back to someone, uh, if they needed a meal or any guidance on anything.
Speaker 2 00:20:28 I mean, that's part of my family. And, and I think, you know, in this, most coaches, probably far as the relationship piece, uh, the biggest thing with me was, and I tell people there's all the time, everybody always asks, Oh, why you're such a great evaluator. Uh, I started evaluating on the playground, you know, in other words, if I wanted to be out there, it was me and my friend went to, you know, New Orleans or some city where, you know, you get on the court and if you lose a game, you know, you gotta wait another hour. And so I would have to pick somebody that I didn't know to be on my team, like three other guys, and they would always say, You pick them and I will pick some of the guys that wasn't the best players in the playground, and we will stay on the court.
Speaker 2 00:21:11 So I think what happens, you know, the biggest thing is the evaluation piece. Uh, the evaluation piece in terms of knowing, uh, what kind of player is, uh, what kind of player is gonna be in the future, is strengthening the weaknesses. And is basketball IQ is, is skill level. Uh, toughness is the hardest thing to, to, to measure. Uh, you know, far as when adversity sets in and how you react and, and, uh, how he plays under adverse condition. But, uh, you know, most people, uh, like guys who can run and jump, that's not the, that's not the, that's not the thing. And, uh, so I, I would say the evaluation piece and the relationship piece in terms of, uh, having credibility with the mom, the dad, the player, the coach, uh, the janitor in the school, You know, I was telling somebody the other day, the best, the best people you talk to in recruiting is the one, the people on the street, the Jan, the cook, the cook.
Speaker 2 00:22:10 And that's like I say, those things you can't do anymore. Most of the time the people talking to AAU coaches <laugh>, and they're not gonna tell you the truth, but, uh, um, just the relationship piece. And I was, you know, that's, that's, that, that's pretty much the key. And it started when they were young, you know, when you, when you were recruit guys, when they're young, any development stage, I was able to be able to develop that kind of relationships. And, and then, and, and I don't, and it's not all about me, but, you know, I didn't make a lot of mistakes in recruiting. You know, people make mistakes in recruiting and then they make excuses after they get the player, you know, I just never made excuses. But the players always turned out good, <laugh>, a majority of the time it did.
Speaker 1 00:22:50 So by talking to the janitor, you find out what they're like. Maybe when people aren't watching, you get a, a little bit more of an insight into the that person's character.
Speaker 2 00:22:59 That's exactly right. And uh, most of those schools, you know, when you walk through the door at a high school, I mean, even the junior college don't really matter. You know, the police officer now, they have police officers at schools now. So, you know, that's one of the guys just, you know, your first question they ask, does he come to school on time? What everybody think about him, You know, what is his emotional intelligence man? You know, when somebody gets on him or not, does he hang out in the hallway? You know, who he hangs out with? Is he in a gym all the time? You know who he responds to, You know, his mom, the coach, you know, uh, uh, some influential person. Uh, and you've seen his development, cetera, cetera. So, and most, and a lot of times, you know, the cook that's there at the school, I mean, a janitor or the police officer, a teacher that's not, that is not involving him. They know who he is. They gonna tell you the truth, you know? And, and I have certain nuggets and, and a recruiting plan and I, that developed for myself over the years. And I've used that and have checks and balances off and, and, uh, it is kind of worked.
Speaker 1 00:24:12 Okay. Shockers are full. Go into practice. Season is getting near and near, which Utah State has its tip off luncheon, October 14th, Shocker. Madness is on October 27. Uh, take us inside practice a little bit. Who's making a good impression on you in these early days of, of practice?
Speaker 2 00:24:31 Well, Kenny, Kenny POTOs, you know, he's, he's a good player. Um, he's not over the athletic, but um, he has a good basketball iq, you know, and I, I think he was, he was real athletic, the way he plays <laugh>. He would have a chance to make money playing this game, but, uh, he just knows how to play. Uh, he's at the right level and I think if he sticks it out, he can end up being a very good basketball player. And if we can keep him here in our own entire time, you know, he can help us win a lot of games. Maybe a championship. Uh, you know, the point guard, obviously Craig Border, Craig Porter, um, you know, when you've got a guy who's a four year, fifth year player back knows the system, you know, been through the grind, uh, he's, he's been a, a great leader without talking, he's not a vocal leader and he's just kind of a silent assassin, kind of the guy.
Speaker 2 00:25:21 I mean, he talks to guys and they all, you know, so he's impressed me. I'm glad he's back, you know, that's 5, 0 5 or 10 more games gonna win because he's back, you know? And another, another player that's kind of impressed me, but I already knew how, how good he was because I recruited him, was on j Walton. Uh, I think Jwan is, uh, a, a special talent, you know, I think he has a chance to make buddy playing this game. Um, he's a perfect fit for Coach Brown. And that's why I say about recruiting. Uh, sometimes guys make decisions based upon where somebody tell him to go or the conference, you know, and this, this, this young man personality, uh, fits with, with Coach Brown. And uh, and then in terms of him being able to get him to play at a high level for long periods of time and because of his emotional development and, uh, I think he, but he's the hell of a talent cuz he had different gears and, and he's six seven, he could shoot the ball. He's impressed with probably the most,
Speaker 1 00:26:23 Jayquan is one of the, one of the new guys on the team. So I'll give the fans a little bit of a background. Uh, played at Shelton State Junior College Guard, listed at 6 7 2 0 6. Tell us a little bit about what his game, how do you describe what he does on the court?
Speaker 2 00:26:37 Well, I think he's one of those guys he can guard one through four positions. A lot of guys can't do that. Uh, he could play one through four positions even though he's not quite a point. But he has those type of skills because he's a great passer. Uh, he has great instincts. Uh, his basketball IQ is very, very good. Um, because he, he, he for defensively, he knows, um, you know, what positions to be in. He's been coached obviously cuz he had a good, good college coach at Georgia. Um, but, uh, and offensively, uh, he could really, you know, he shoots the three ball, uh, very, very good, particularly when the unguarded, but, uh, he can get right back by you when he wants to and he can finish and transition and he just has that different gear, you know, and guys have a different gear from everybody else.
Speaker 2 00:27:29 Uh, you could be able to see that he could be a special type player. Now, obviously, you know, if he plays at that level all the time, then he, you know, he'll be one of, he could be a all lead all league guy here. And, and same thing with, with with Jerome Pierre, you know, but that's why they're here, you know, and he's, he's one of those kids that's talented too. But, uh, you know, if he gets, I always say if you get outta your own way, <laugh>, if he gets outta his own way, you know, he, he could be able to be a good player too.
Speaker 1 00:28:00 Jerome, Pierre, another newcomer transfer from Southern Mississippi. Yeah. Uh, so every time I bump into one of the players or coaches or, or watch practice for a little bit, uh, the players say we're working, you know, we're working on defense. Defense, defense, defense has been the emphasis over the summer and, and into the fall. Tell us a little bit about that. Uh, why the emphasis on defense and, and how's it going?
Speaker 2 00:28:22 Well, I don't know about that. You know, over the summer we worked mostly on offense, <laugh>, and, and I can see why, you know, cause the offense, the system is a kind of what I call a complicated system because, you know, they, you know, I guess over the years and with Coach Brown and, and, and, and being here for eight years with Coach Marshall, a lot of things are, you know, implemented entwined. And uh, it takes a lot of, um, technique and, and thought process offensively, you know, with the plays, the schemes, uh, different types of sets and all those things. And uh, I think Coach Brownton a great job at that. Um, everywhere I've been each coach philosophers and style is different and, and uh, that's why, you know, I kind of stay outta the way also because, you know, Travis Ford style was different.
Speaker 2 00:29:15 We weren't big in the Big 12, obviously John Style Brady was different at lsu, guy by the name of Mel with Watkins at Conference usa. He, his style was different and we won at a high level. So you, you know, I kinda stay outta way because it works. I mean, it wouldn't have worked if we wouldn't have won the Copper championship and know and then stuff like that. But, um, offensively, you know, we did a lot of things in the summer. We had to get better defensively and that's probably why cuz we, we hadn't did as much defensive stuff, uh, in the summer. It is probably what I thought, you know? But uh, you know, we gotta develop that toughness now in rebounding and, and defending like they've been doing for the last 10 years. And obviously the last two years with, with Coach Brown just couldn't score the ball last year <laugh>. But uh, and hopefully if we play as good a defense as did the last two years, you know, we win some games. Cause I think we may be a little bit better offensively.
Speaker 1 00:30:06 Okay. Butch, thank you very much for your time. We appreciate it.
Speaker 2 00:30:09 Thank you.
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Speaker 4 00:30:42 And they let him pass it up court and then he gets picked off along three by Pango. No good. One second. It's over it. Wichita State beaten the number one team in the nation to, I know you are.
